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Changing a pre64 Mod 70 bolt handle
06 March 2011, 21:01
SingleShotGuyChanging a pre64 Mod 70 bolt handle
I have a couple custom Mausers with Dakota bolt handles, and I like the thin stem with the tear-drop knob. I have a 70 I am going to have stocked and would like the same handle, but have never seen one used on a 70. Does anyone have a picture they can share?
Would appreciate it......
Ed
09 March 2011, 08:29
vicvanbI've seen pictures of a few Pre-64 M70s with non-factory bolt handles but I always thought the originals looked better. It's pretty hard to beat a Pre-War M70 bolt.
11 March 2011, 18:27
Jim KobeWhile you are at it, add a checkered bolt knob to it. I have changed out a number of them; can't find a piture right now but it don't matter, my photo skills suck.
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11 March 2011, 18:57
Cross Lquote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
While you are at it, add a checkered bolt knob to it. I have changed out a number of them; can't find a piture right now but it don't matter, my photo skills suck.
Jim
NOOOOO Change checkered to smooth. the checkering sticks to your skin when rapidly using the bolt.
SSR
11 March 2011, 19:24
J.D.SteeleElmer Keith, for one, had good things to say about moving the M70 knob forward on heavy recoilers. I remember seeing one of his articles showing a pre-64 458WM M70 that had been restocked (of COURSE!) and had a straighter handle substituted to save the shooter's knuckle.
On a DGR or competition rifle I would not checker the bolt knob, for more-comfortable practice on fast followup shots.
On a non-DGR non-competition rifle, if the shooter needs a fast second shot then the first shot must have missed! Since the shooter has already missed once, what makes him think that a fast second shot will be any more accurate? He obviously needs more practice on that first shot before worrying about the followups!
If you use enough gun and place the shot correctly, you won't need a second shot unless it's a coup de grace delivered at leisure.
Regards, Joe
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11 March 2011, 19:39
SingleShotGuyJim,
I do like a checkered bolt knob, and I favor the traditional 2-panel. It's not going to be a big kicker, but I haven't deceided whether to have it at a slight angle or straight down. Most of the customs lately have the straight down and I'm beginning to like the looks of them.
Ed
11 March 2011, 22:45
zimbabweHere is a Mdl70 in 257 Roberts that has both a replaced and straightened handle and checkering. I THINK the handle is a MacFarland but wouldn't bet on it as I mereley specified straight and checkered.
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11 March 2011, 23:28
Cross Lquote:
Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
Elmer Keith, for one, had good things to say about moving the M70 knob forward on heavy recoilers. I remember seeing one of his articles showing a pre-64 458WM M70 that had been restocked (of COURSE!) and had a straighter handle substituted to save the shooter's knuckle.
On a DGR or competition rifle I would not checker the bolt knob, for more-comfortable practice on fast followup shots.
On a non-DGR non-competition rifle, if the shooter needs a fast second shot then the first shot must have missed! Since the shooter has already missed once, what makes him think that a fast second shot will be any more accurate? He obviously needs more practice on that first shot before worrying about the followups!
If you use enough gun and place the shot correctly, you won't need a second shot unless it's a coup de grace delivered at leisure.
Regards, Joe
IMHO and as I understand it current best practice on DG/Large Game is to keep shooting until it quits moving. Drives me crazy to watch people lower their gun and watch a buff or an elk leave. Brush isthick and cartridges are cheaper than skin and bone.
SSR
12 March 2011, 00:14
J.D.Steelequote:
Originally posted by Cross L:
IMHO and as I understand it current best practice on DG/Large Game is to keep shooting until it quits moving. Drives me crazy to watch people lower their gun and watch a buff or an elk leave. Brush isthick and cartridges are cheaper than skin and bone.
SSR
"If you use enough gun and place the shot correctly, you won't need a second shot unless it's a coup de grace delivered at leisure." Each clause above has a definite and even a 'hidden' meaning, please consider all the ramifications.
Unfortunately some 'hunters' aren't very good shooters, and IMO should leave the actual shooting to the guide.
Regards, Joe
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12 March 2011, 05:55
SingleShotGuyzimbabwe....thank you, I sure do appreciate that. That's a nice rifle, great caliber!
Regards,
Ed
20 March 2011, 07:49
Cross Lquote:
Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
quote:
Originally posted by Cross L:
IMHO and as I understand it current best practice on DG/Large Game is to keep shooting until it quits moving. Drives me crazy to watch people lower their gun and watch a buff or an elk leave. Brush isthick and cartridges are cheaper than skin and bone.
SSR
"If you use enough gun and place the shot correctly, you won't need a second shot unless it's a coup de grace delivered at leisure." Each clause above has a definite and even a 'hidden' meaning, please consider all the ramifications.
Unfortunately some 'hunters' aren't very good shooters, and IMO should leave the actual shooting to the guide.
Regards, Joe
Joe,
Theres alot of room for Mr Murphy when you start parsing that closely. I agree that If the shot is placed correctly AND the proper rifle and munitions are used then a Coup de grace should not even be needed.
Life isnt always perfect.
Joe lets not get started on hunters shootin- I certainly agree that most should shoot better, but telling people that they shouldnt shoot is the wrong direction.
Awfully suspect ethics to advocate someone else doing the shooting for a hunter and not generally legal either.
We agree on most of this,lets not start something over checkering bolt knobs
and yes I can read analyse and comprehend
SSR
22 March 2011, 02:40
p dog shooterI have shot a lot of citterss that they did not know they were dead yet from the frist shot.
I am a firm beliver in shooting them until they stop moving.
Even with a broken shoulder heart and lungs blown apart they can still cover lots of ground and do lots of damage and get into nasty places.
Too many stange things can happen between the shot and the bullet hitting the critter.
Famous last words of trophy fee gone bad don't shoot him again you hit him hard the first time.
22 March 2011, 04:28
Michael RobinsonHere is one of mine:
Not a Dakota handle, but dimensioned to my tastes and well positioned. I like it very much.
Mike
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22 March 2011, 04:37
J.D.SteeleI totally gave up the classic heart shot in the late '60s, ditto lung shots. My hunting territory and conditions at that time demanded instant stops lest the game escape wounded, so we paid LOTS of attention to what worked the best. Spine behind the ear is my favorite followed by spine between the shoulders, they drop like a sack of rocks. Maybe I've been lucky since 1970, 30-40 kills and haven't had to shoot twice with anything larger than a 22LR.
Of course I don't shoot running game and we have a LOT of deer in my state, 8-point-or-better rule where I hunt and no dogs or baiting allowed. The biggest challenge is the feral pigs, I hesitate to call 'em wild hogs since a really big one probably wouldn't weigh more than ~400 lbs.
Sorry I haven't had to make some sort of spectacular stop involving a rapid bolt manipulation but I usually hunt with a single shot these days.
Regards, Joe
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22 March 2011, 04:39
J.D.Steelequote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Here is one of mine:
Not a Dakota handle, but dimensioned to my tastes and well positioned. I like it very much.
Michael, I LIKE that handle!
Regards, Joe
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22 March 2011, 05:50
SingleShotGuyMichael, that is a fine looking bolt handle......thanks for posting it.
Ed
23 March 2011, 18:25
SingleShotGuyGSSP...those are both great looking handles!
Ed
24 March 2011, 04:35
walnut"Not a Dakota handle, but dimensioned to my tastes and well positioned. I like it very much."
"Michael, I LIKE that handle!
Regards, Joe"
You both have such good taste. I saved the pic for future lathe work!
24 March 2011, 22:51
Michael RobinsonMark Penrod made it and installed it. He sent me a couple of photos that show the process and rough results:
Turning:
Semi-finished Handles:
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.