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MKb 42/MP 43/MP 44/ StG 44/ VG 1.5
Schmeisser along with other weapon designers and their families, were relocated to the USSR. On October 24, 1946, the German specialists rode a train to Izhevsk in the southern Ural Mountains, where the center of Russian firearms development was located.

German specialists with their wives in Izhevsk.

Schmeisser is the second from the left.

According to the publications in Russian Internet the famous AK-47 was in fact designed not by Kalashnikov, but by Schmeisser and his German colleagues. Schmeisser’s work while in Izhevsk (1946-1952) is shrouded in darkness. The most of historical documents of the period are still classified. But some facts are known and they make the version presented by Internet very believable.

AK-47 strongly resembles Schmeisser’s StG44.

Mikhail Kalashnikov admitted in 2009 that Schmeisser “helped” design him the famous AK-47.

But Schmeisser couldn’t “help” him. Schmeisser was working in Izhevsk while Kalashnikov, a senior sergeant lacking special education, was supposedly developing his AK–47 during three years period from 1945 to 1947 in a different plant, in the city of Kovrov.

Several times several committees dismissed his design as unacceptable. Self taught mechanic Kalashnikov was a leader of the local Young Communist Organization and obviously it was pretty difficult to just fire him as professionally incompetent.

Instead he was transferred to Izhevsk in 1947, where Schmeisser and his team worked and almost immediately the AK-47 was completely changed and was released as the perfect machine gun of the future. The name Schmeisser was known at the moment by every Russian schoolboy, as the name of Nazi guns. To use this name for the new Russian weapon was absolutely impossible.

The name of the active young communist Kalashnikov was a perfect substitute.

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a captured MKb 42 (H) Russia 1942

 
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Literally erasing history. Erasing the Sturmgewehr from Kalashnikov the Plagiariser's memorial.





 
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MKb 42/MP 43/MP 44/ StG 44/ VG 1.5

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Rifle grenade launcher and sight for MP 44, for 30mm grenade of various types, anti personel and anti vehicles, 1.500 000 were made between 1943 and 1945 replacing prior models that could be used only with K 98 rifles.

 
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April 1945, Germany. British troops examined captured Nachtsichgerät/Zielgerät (Night vision aiming device) mounted on MP 44.
Adopted end of 1944 after the way to reduce components was found ( first models served on tanks) it began to be used on machineguns and assault rifles beginning of 1945.

 
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Ammunition made during and after WW2, color variations indicating ammunition made in Warsaw Pact factories.
 
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Armed resistance in countries occupied by the Soviets was not eradicated before mid 50s.
German weapons were commonly used but MP44 were quickly unuseful due to their peculiar 8x33mm cartridge, unlike the weapons using full power 8x57mm ammunition.

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Couple of facts re the AK Series vs the STG44;
The bolt and locking mechanism of the AK series is nothing like the STG. The Russians did copy the overall concept, including the short medium range cartridge, but none of it's operating mechanism.
The first ones; all the AK47s, have milled receivers. Why? the Russians could not stamp sheet metal like the Germans could. Not until the AKM did they use stamped receivers.
So, who copied what? Good Question.
 
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I firmly believe that the Germans had the original idea.Bias aside,the Germans were /are smarter than the soviets.


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Bergmann was the financial backer who financed and built factories of several kind, first he hired Louis Schmeisser who later added his son to the inventory of the factory. Bergmann pistols is some very good, or Schmeisser.

9mm Largo is one thing they brought in there, one can just think that a few years earlier they made cases with no rim of any kind ,try to fix that jam in a hurry.

Denmark got the Bergmann pistols,and by collectos they are very sought after there and here ,and nice ones they are.

Then it was the other works Hugo worked with,and after his Stg development,or part of as the team. Moved east and stress worked for Russians. After that he was living in East Germany as a broken man under strong code pf silence. Never uttering a word of his work.

If he had written a memoir about his development that book would have been a best seller and known as top makers for many.

But it is good to see the Mp44 in use,and many Eastern bloc para units etc used it for long time,even though Ak was in system there,like DDR, Yugoslavia and others.


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The Germans are VERY smart but still have that police state mentality.2 years ago a friend from Germany came over to stay + vacation.When he saw that I had a revolver laying on the desk he said,If I were home.it would be my duty to report you to the police.And this from a friend.A case in point,if anyone has lived with the Germans,one thing is apparent. When they applaud at a concert,etc. they do it in cadence;not like us. They ALL clap at the same time + in the same prescribed manner.


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German infantrymen encircled in Cholm, happy when receiving food, arms, ammunition, air delivered by the Luftwaffe.
The success of this operation led to the overconfidence that Stalingrad would be resupplied the same way.
The first 50 MKb 42 (H) were tested in combat in Cholm, a few of them being captured by the Soviets.
Interesting document showing a submachinegun MP28.

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New movie released in Russia, "Kalashnikov", not even mention of the documents of capture of MkB42 in Kolm in 1942 and trasmission to HQ, that was what triggered the design of the 7.62x41 then shortened to 39 mm, today known as 7.62x39mm Model of 43.
Some documents had been declassified but reclassified quickly after USSR implosion..
 
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