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Re: French firearms questions ?
26 October 2004, 16:03
ClarkRe: French firearms questions ?
I have an unissued unfired 1931 7.5 French [$60 at BIG5].
What a piece of junk.
How DID they beat the Germans with Mausers?
- Oh, that's right, we helped them with Garrands.
27 October 2004, 13:45
Cal SibleyYou might check the butstock to see if there's an opening and a white flag in it just in case you encounter a German.
It pays to be safe. Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal
27 October 2004, 15:29
ValWas there much damage when it was dropped?
27 October 2004, 20:14
TrevofKalIt may pay to remember that France was at the forefront of military arms technology in the century before last. I'm not particularly fond of French machinery or rifles, but they have to take their place in the scheme of things.
( after all it is a beautiful country to host 2 wars in !)
28 October 2004, 05:08
<eldeguello>31 October 2004, 05:18
pwmQuote:
FRENCH ARMY RIFLES FOR SALE: GOOD CONDITION - ONLY DROPPED ONCE < !--color-->
The french lost their vietnam war with style but you lost your like girl's
31 October 2004, 06:12
TailgunnerThe FFL fought like the men they were, but than again they wern't French (only the officers were).
As far as style goes, begging your allies for help and than running away, still sounds like the typical Frog style.
31 October 2004, 19:36
craigsterQuote:
The french lost their vietnam war with style but you lost your like girl's (sic)
So pwn, what war college did you graduate from? Won't you please share some of your military expertise with us?
01 November 2004, 01:39
pwmcraigster, sorry i forget you liberated vietnam, won this war with glory, nether give away you friends in south vietnam to the commies.
which general was speaking he will bombing north vietnam into the stone age, forget this name. of course you can help me.
the question for my war college, I think you called a drafter, rigth, have do this two times in one year in two armys because I am a
anarchist
01 November 2004, 05:48
pwmpart two
sorry have had a break
...because i am an anarchist dont go, make it clever. It's not my problem if the banana republic I live have enough stupids for their army of stupids.
a patriot is a man believe in bullshit
02 November 2004, 11:06
Mike 1Quote:
FRENCH ARMY RIFLES FOR SALE: GOOD CONDITION - ONLY DROPPED ONCE < !--color-->
That's a misquote,it goes like this:
Never been fired,and only dropped once.
Mike
06 November 2004, 02:14
EdmondQuote:
Edmond,
Why are French rifles equipped with such short stocks and frequently no safety? Also, why the forward swept bolt handle?
ASS_CLOWN
Short stock: easy to shoulder with thick clothes in winter.
no safety on rifle: safety between ears
forward swept bolt handle: more natural mouvement than the handle at the rear Mauser style, easier and faster move from trigger to bolt handle and back.
06 November 2004, 17:20
darwinmauserEdmond
does not having a safety catch make it easier to perform a friendly fire incident ??
I ask as I have never used a rifle that did'nt have a safety catch and there seem to be a lot of incident's of this sort in the military .
07 November 2004, 02:25
<eldeguello>Quote:
I have an unissued unfired 1931 7.5 French [$60 at BIG5].
What a piece of junk.
How DID they beat the Germans with Mausers?
- Oh, that's right, we helped them with Garrands.
As I recall, they DIDN'T beat the Germans! < !--color-->
07 November 2004, 05:15
Grizzly AdamsHello;
"Safety between the ears." Is that an example of what the French refer to as Elan'. Forgive me if I got the spelling wrong, but it refers to a kind of unthinking recklessness.
Grizz
08 November 2004, 05:31
casPeople have always bad mouthed the forward bolt handle on the MAS, but they just don't get it. It's a great design for high rate of fire. With the MAS you can get three fingers around the wrist of the stock, and your finger on the trigger, all without taking your thumb off the bolt.
15 November 2004, 04:17
<eldeguello>Quote:
part two
sorry have had a break
...because i am an anarchist dont go, make it clever. It's not my problem if the banana republic I live have enough stupids for their army of stupids.
a patriot is a man believe in bullshit
Mmmmmm.... What time train come from NORTH, White Man??
16 November 2004, 08:59
JiriThere is also no safety on Russian Mosin rifles or carbines, it is as simple as it could be and worked great . . . and looks how they beated nazis mausers
Jiri
16 November 2004, 10:17
ASS_CLOWNjiri,
I am afraid that the Mosin Nagant does in fact have a safety. It isn't what we would refer to as ergonomic, but it has one just the same.
ASS_CLOWN
16 November 2004, 22:44
JiriYes, you have a true . . . but I never used because it is near unusable ;-) and forgot that there is one . . .
17 November 2004, 08:12
tiggertateIn the thirties "thick clothes" were REALLY thick. Lots of wool. The average soldier was a little smaller then, too. Especially from the lower classes whose nutrition (here in the USA, too) was often less than ideal for optimal growth.
Today's soldier probably has a 2" reach advantage over his average pre- WWII counterpart.
The MAS is a pretty good gun for the purpose. With the right training regimen and trench-warfare/volley-fire doctrine from fixed emplacements I can see why the safety was considered uneccessary.
17 November 2004, 08:22
tiggertateI think they beat the Nazis by dying in greater numbers than 8mm bullets could be produced
. Eventually the guys way in the back got up close enough to shoot back at the Germans.
02 March 2005, 19:57
ScotsGunfrench rifles are awful.
The UK market is awash with MAS rifles because no one will buy them.....you may be able to argue to some that they are well designed, but most certainly aren't well made! They are the cheapest ex-service rifles available and dealers have been known to through in a MAS for free when buying an SMLE, Ross, Schmidt Rubin, Mosin or Mauser, just to sweaten the deal.
I literally watched an unissued rifle fall to bit over the period of an hour and 100 rounds...just like Citereons....worthless tat that's designed by a frog smart-arse.
I have a MAS 49/56 in the original 7.5, with an original scope that I'm very fond of. It's a quality rifle, works all the time, is accurate enough, and looks cool. At least I think so. My only gripe is the cost of ammo. I'll be pretty happy when someone starts making brass that is fairly reasonable.
My two cents.
Regards,
Eric
"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
Lost once in the shuffle, member since 2000.
07 March 2005, 05:38
lonniemikeI thought new 7.5X54 brass was available. Have you tried Graf's? The 6.5 Swede brass is available and can be reformed. Best-o-Luck
07 March 2005, 17:09
D Humbargerquote:
FRENCH ARMY RIFLES FOR SALE: GOOD CONDITION - ONLY DROPPED ONCE
Except for the 3rd corp of the Foreign legion which was composed of X SS troops that just couldn't get it out of their systems!
Doug Humbarger
NRA Life member
Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73.
Yankee Station
Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo.
08 March 2005, 00:13
DaManD Humbarger..... you heard from your supply friend "Poser Pat"?!!!!
DaMan
Now, was it "out of their systems," or was it that they had no where else to go?
The majority of the SS were good soldiers, doing their duty. A small portion gave them the image of monsters.
Hum? How about those few dopes in Iraq?
Some folks just want to soldier. Politics? Whats that?
Just wondering.
Regards,
Eric
"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
Lost once in the shuffle, member since 2000.
10 March 2005, 04:19
390ishI have a 49/56 and really like it. The cartridge reminds me of a 300 Savage in performance.
11 March 2005, 03:27
Cal SibleyHave you ever looked under the hood of a Citroen, or even a Renault? Damned wiring going every which way. It's not that the French make such bad products, but they make them so much more complicated than necessary. Oh well, c'est la vie! Best wishes.
Cal - Montreal
Cal Sibley
11 March 2005, 10:11
Alberta CanuckFrench army bolt rifles are not good looking, but they are strong as hell, and definitely NOT complex in design. My MAS 36 also shoots very well for accuracy despite the stock being about 3-1/2" too short for my 6'-3" frame.
By the way, if you want good accurate ammo for one, try to locate some Prvi Partizan 138 gr. ball. Absolutely match+ grade stuff, and brass cased/boxer primed to boot.
Alberta Canuck
My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still.
09 April 2005, 23:28
Edmondquote:
Originally posted by ScotsGun:
french rifles are awful.
The UK market is awash with MAS rifles because no one will buy them.....you may be able to argue to some that they are well designed, but most certainly aren't well made! They are the cheapest ex-service rifles available and dealers have been known to through in a MAS for free when buying an SMLE, Ross, Schmidt Rubin, Mosin or Mauser, just to sweaten the deal.
I literally watched an unissued rifle fall to bit over the period of an hour and 100 rounds...just like Citereons....worthless tat that's designed by a frog smart-arse.
If you don't want them in UK, I'll buy them back, not a joke.
I have orders for regular or modified 36 or 36/51 and they're becoming scarce here.
I know where they are now, apart of US where the biggest part has been sold.
11 April 2005, 02:59
ScotsGunNot a problem. View them in a local dealers web site
www.henrykrank.com The MAS usually retails for £80-100.
LOL - good luck.
11 April 2005, 22:12
EdmondPeople must start to like them, £ 145 Very Good to £ 200 unissued as I could see in a few ads.
I was told that the prices will go higher since ammo becomes easier to find in UK.
11 April 2005, 22:14
Edmondquote:
Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
Hello;<br /> "Safety between the ears." Is that an example of what the French refer to as Elan'. Forgive me if I got the spelling wrong, but it refers to a kind of unthinking recklessness.<br /> Grizz
Wrong translation, man!
it refers to a fearless move toward the enemy.
11 April 2005, 22:20
Edmondquote:
Originally posted by darwinmauser:
Edmond<br />does not having a safety catch make it easier to perform a friendly fire incident ?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I ask as I have never used a rifle that did'nt have a safety catch and there seem to be a lot of incident's of this sort in the military . <img
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the first french rifle to get a safety was the MAS 44 derived from the MAS 38 and it evolved into the MAS 49 and MAS 49/56.
in insecurity zone the round was chambered and the bolt was not completely closed, it could not fire but the thumb allowed to close it in a fraction of a second.
In combat, loaded and locked, ready to fire with finger on the trigger guard.
We never had a lot of friendly fire incidents in France.
12 April 2005, 09:54
darwinmauserThat makes sense Ed ,when I was drilling water bores we never used boots ,just bare feet, a good incentive to not drop drill rods or bits on your foot (pneumatic hammers weigh about 150 kg's)
It's mercy, compassion and forgiveness I lack; not rationality.
Well, having been required to consider the human element for years in industrial controls design, I can say with some certainty that we (humanity) have yet to outsmart the common human idiot. With that being said, we try hard and have come a long way...and positive safety features/hardware/design beats training/between-the-ears safety every time!
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
quote:
Except for the 3rd corp of the Foreign legion which was composed of X SS troops that just couldn't get it out of their systems!
3rd corp of FFL
"What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler
04 May 2005, 08:11
Rick 0311quote:
Originally posted by Clark:
I have an unissued unfired 1931 7.5 French [$60 at BIG5].<br />What a piece of junk.<br />How DID they beat the Germans with Mausers?<br />- Oh, that's right, we helped them with Garrands.
When exactly did the French beat the Germans? I must have missed that one!
