23 September 2015, 04:48
medvedthat one happens in the mckenzie NWT on the 11th of september luckily no death contrary to lat year.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...ells-n-w-t-1.322482223 September 2015, 16:33
p dog shooterAs the bear population increases the number of attacks increase.
23 September 2015, 17:31
sagequote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
As the bear population increases the number of attacks increase.
No as the number of humans in the bush increases the chance of attacks increase.
23 September 2015, 21:53
.458 Onlyquote:
Originally posted by sage:
quote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
As the bear population increases the number of attacks increase.
No as the number of humans in the bush increases the chance of attacks increase.
Sage;
It's not "an either or" situation, it's a "both and" scenario.
More people in the bush (perhaps), but certainly an increase in bear population in many areas which increases stress among bears and competition for food sources.
Bob
www.bigbores.ca24 September 2015, 06:17
medvedless bears hunted like in NWT, BC and AB. lost the fear of men.
drought this year so less food and of course more people getting in the bush that most of the time do not have any experience with bears or their behaviour.
24 September 2015, 09:15
SkylineIt is a combination of things. Lots of speculation is involved and it changes from year to year and vicinity.
Too many bears can be a problem but usually it is too many people in their environment recreating that causes the problem...... combined with lack of feeds, locations of seasonal feed, denning areas, etc.
As well as conditioning to human issues like fall hunting season, etc.s
Many things factor in. In the end though if the bear population increases there will be a direct relation between that and all the other issues.
Having said that, in Alberta I personally believe their are too damn many people recreating in the back country as compared to a couple of decades ago. You cannot ask to increase grizzly populations AND have that with a shit load of people recreating in one way or another................... and not have problems.
There ain't no utopia where all get along regardless of grizzly numbers and recreational biped numbers. SPACE is the issue.
25 September 2015, 00:10
Angus MorrisonAlberta's resource roads literally everywhere including the mountains, and the ATV use explosion has really changed things. I have had a birds eye view in the day job of the grizzly habitats in Alberta for a good while, we used to live in Grande Cache and have acreage on the edge of the rocks south of Calgary. All along that corridor except for the park are ATVs, it's Alberta's most popular pastime, in my eyes sadly.
This said that's an Alberta focus in a western Canadian thread, in BC we're seeing a big increase in the same type of backcountry usage, but not like Alberta. There are however a lot more inexperienced people venturing out in this era of reality survival shows, hunting shows, explosion of large outdoor sports stores franchises etc. Not a bad thing, just a reality, and it comes with downsides, bear incidents are one of the inevitable ones. Not saying the victims here were inexperienced, I knew the BC sheep hunters by association (good friend's friends) and they're very experienced. But there is a surge of hunters heading afield these days compared to recent declines in past decades, and with recovering grizzly numbers, the mix will produce attacks. I'm all for both the bear recovery and more hunters, to be clear, the attacks are an unfortunate byproduct.
Of course as Skyline said it's certainly a combination of factors, not one single thing. I actually do believe the Grizzlies in Alberta could be doing a lot better, as even in just five years I noted a decline in bears spotted as roads and ATVs push further. I also think more bears are dying both reported and unreported at the hands of inexperienced folks armed in the backcountry, this one really bothers me. Most hunters I meet a lot of hunters, some accomplished, that say if a bear moves at them it gets lead, part of me understands. Then I talk to fishing guides on the north BC coast who conversationally admit they've been bluff charged by grizzlies multiple times on the river during the salmon runs, they understand it's just bear communication 99% of the time. I'm spiralling off course and seeding arguments I can sense it!
Just hope to see more hunting opportunities, more experienced people in the bush and less ATVs, and more grizzly bears. Potentially impossible dreams these days.
25 September 2015, 04:54
Skylinequote:
Originally posted by Angus Morrison:
Alberta's resource roads literally everywhere including the mountains, and the ATV use explosion has really changed things. I have had a birds eye view in the day job of the grizzly habitats in Alberta for a good while, we used to live in Grande Cache and have acreage on the edge of the rocks south of Calgary. All along that corridor except for the park are ATVs, it's Alberta's most popular pastime, in my eyes sadly.
This said that's an Alberta focus in a western Canadian thread, in BC we're seeing a big increase in the same type of backcountry usage, but not like Alberta. There are however a lot more inexperienced people venturing out in this era of reality survival shows, hunting shows, explosion of large outdoor sports stores franchises etc. Not a bad thing, just a reality, and it comes with downsides, bear incidents are one of the inevitable ones. Not saying the victims here were inexperienced, I knew the BC sheep hunters by association (good friend's friends) and they're very experienced. But there is a surge of hunters heading afield these days compared to recent declines in past decades, and with recovering grizzly numbers, the mix will produce attacks. I'm all for both the bear recovery and more hunters, to be clear, the attacks are an unfortunate byproduct.
Of course as Skyline said it's certainly a combination of factors, not one single thing. I actually do believe the Grizzlies in Alberta could be doing a lot better, as even in just five years I noted a decline in bears spotted as roads and ATVs push further. I also think more bears are dying both reported and unreported at the hands of inexperienced folks armed in the backcountry, this one really bothers me. Most hunters I meet a lot of hunters, some accomplished, that say if a bear moves at them it gets lead, part of me understands. Then I talk to fishing guides on the north BC coast who conversationally admit they've been bluff charged by grizzlies multiple times on the river during the salmon runs, they understand it's just bear communication 99% of the time. I'm spiralling off course and seeding arguments I can sense it!
Just hope to see more hunting opportunities, more experienced people in the bush and less ATVs, and more grizzly bears. Potentially impossible dreams these days.
