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New world record ram found near Longviw
12 March 2015, 06:12
Grizzly AdamsNew world record ram found near Longviw
I'd a thought Sheephunter would be all over this by now.
Obviously one of those Sheep River sanctuary rams gone Walkabout.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2015...ew-sets-world-record Grizz
Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man
Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln
Only one war at a time. Abe Again.
12 March 2015, 20:30
Canuck32Great animal that shows how strong the genetics of our sheep are.
Glad the ranch manager was able to keep it
13 March 2015, 23:28
p dog shooterI wonder what it is worth on the open market
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Originally posted by Canuck32:
Great animal that shows how strong the genetics of our sheep are.
Glad the ranch manager was able to keep it
Yeah, but I'll bet it has more to do with quality habitat and good population management. A great good news story all around. Except for the whole getting hit by a vehicle thing.
Dean
...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men.
-Edward, Duke of York
17 March 2015, 07:50
sheephunterabquote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
I wonder what it is worth on the open market
Nothing....It's illegal to sell found dead wildlife in Alberta. I suspect replicas might fetch a few dollars though.
21 March 2015, 09:20
AntlersWow - what a ram!
Antlers
Double Rifle Shooters Society
Heym 450/400 3"
23 March 2015, 00:37
sheephunterabA poacher almost ended his life prematurely....check out the bullet hole in his horn.
24 March 2015, 03:17
Grizzly Adamsquote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
A poacher almost ended his life prematurely....check out the bullet hole in his horn.
What's to say he was a poacher ? Maybe he was just a lousy shot, in which case missed getting his name in the record book and making a bundle from showing the head off. Those rams do wander out of the sanctuary, on occasion.
Grizz
Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man
Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln
Only one war at a time. Abe Again.
24 March 2015, 03:37
sheephunterabquote:
Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
What's to say he was a poacher ?
Grizz
The fact that he got caught shooting it in the sanctuary.
quote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
quote:
Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
What's to say he was a poacher ?
Grizz
The fact that he got caught shooting it in the sanctuary.
Do you have a link to the poaching story or no what was charged with and who etc.
Thanks
24 March 2015, 19:33
sheephunterabNot handy but I'm sure a couple minutes on Google would find it. I read a story that referenced it just the other day.
24 March 2015, 20:52
chin-gas-cookIf a "poacher" is not successful, is he still a poacher??
That sure doesn't look like a bullet hole to me.
24 March 2015, 21:05
sheephunterabquote:
Originally posted by chin-gas-cook:
If a "poacher" is not successful, is he still a poacher??
That sure doesn't look like a bullet hole to me.
Shooting a ram in a sanctuary, regardless of the outcome is poaching...it's most definitely a bullet hole.
24 March 2015, 21:35
chin-gas-cookLOL, the question was just me thinking out loud. Kind of like the tree that falls in the forest.
I don't know how that is "most definitely" a bullet hole??
It may very well be, but, it just doesn't appear to be. Mind you, my experience with bullet holes in sheep's horns is limited.
24 March 2015, 22:23
sheephunterabIn person it's a bit more obvious....the picture is deceiving for sure.
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Originally posted by sheephunterab:
Not handy but I'm sure a couple minutes on Google would find it. I read a story that referenced it just the other day.
Well haven't found anything yet, lots of other cases in alberta. Any other key words a guy can try in searching.
Thanks
25 March 2015, 02:54
Grizzly Adamsquote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
quote:
Originally posted by Grizzly Adams:
What's to say he was a poacher ?
Grizz
The fact that he got caught shooting it in the sanctuary.
I guess they never learn. Remember the guy who made it as far as the Pope and Young banquet, even got his picture in their magazine, when an alert F& W officer recognized the ram as having come from the sanctuary ?
Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man
Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln
Only one war at a time. Abe Again.
26 March 2015, 03:54
Demonical^ The pics that are included in the 3d link; the size of those horns are astonishing.
26 March 2015, 03:59
sheephunterabYa pictures of the skull and horns just don't do him justice.
26 March 2015, 22:06
Swarovskiquote:
Originally posted by Demonical:
^ The pics that are included in the 3d link; the size of those horns are astonishing.
The Boone and Crocket website has added some live pictures at the bottom of their article taken about 3 months before his demise.
http://www.boone-crockett.org/...asp?area=news&ID=245quote:
Thanks had seen a couple of those. Is there one about this ram specificly being shot and the person being charged.
Thanks
27 March 2015, 20:48
Swarovskiquote:
Thanks had seen a couple of those. Is there one about this ram specificly being shot and the person being charged.
Thanks
Not that I have seen.
28 March 2015, 05:57
Grizzly AdamsInteresting comment from Bob Scamell, our resident Hunting fishing curmudgeon.
"Many are wondering how the ram survived for 14 years. I'll fly a kite and suggest it's because, except for his occasional wanderings out to the road, he likely lived on a Grazing Lease hunted only by the lame halt and blind, but very rich friends of the even richer Lease holder."
Having hunted that area extensively, I can see a little grain of truth here.
Griz
Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man
Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln
Only one war at a time. Abe Again.
28 March 2015, 07:06
sheephunterabPerhaps because there is no sheep season in the WMU where he lived......jeeeze
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Originally posted by Swarovski:
quote:
Thanks had seen a couple of those. Is there one about this ram specificly being shot and the person being charged.
Thanks
Not that I have seen.
Ok thanks
28 March 2015, 20:17
chin-gas-cookAccording to google, it looks to me like the sheep river sanctuary is smack dab in the middle of wmu 406, which has a trophy sheep season. Unless, the map is wrong???
28 March 2015, 21:30
sheephunterabquote:
Originally posted by chin-gas-cook:
According to google, it looks to me like the sheep river sanctuary is smack dab in the middle of wmu 406, which has a trophy sheep season. Unless, the map is wrong???
The ram was not in the sanctuary for the final years of his life...he was in a WMU to the east where there is no sheep season.
28 March 2015, 21:37
chin-gas-cookHe must have been a legal sheep for a few years in 406, maybe Mr. Scamel was correct in his observation just not the last few years?
28 March 2015, 21:44
sheephunterabquote:
Originally posted by chin-gas-cook:
He must have been a legal sheep for a few years in 406, maybe Mr. Scamel was correct in his observation just not the last few years?
No, there are no grazing leases as eluded to in WMU406.... It's all public land save for one abandoned mine. The sanctuary is not in the middle of 406 but on the east side, adjacent to a WMU with no season. This ram may have never ventured into a legal hunting area in his life. There is no hunting in the Sanctuary and no season in the WMU he moved to. He definitely wasn't protected by some rich lease holder....he was protected by the lack of season.
29 March 2015, 01:03
Bill LeeperSomehow, having the world record ram be the one that lived in a park and got killed with a truck just takes something away from it. Not much "fair chase" hunting there. One thing it shows is how detrimental the use of salt on the roadways is to wildlife. Regards, Bill
29 March 2015, 01:42
sheephunterabB&C is primarily about recognizing the animal....not the hunter and that's why they include pick ups in the book. Their fair chase stance is in many ways separate from their records.
29 March 2015, 09:21
Grizzly Adamsquote:
Originally posted by sheephunterab:
quote:
Originally posted by chin-gas-cook:
He must have been a legal sheep for a few years in 406, maybe Mr. Scamel was correct in his observation just not the last few years?
No, there are no grazing leases as eluded to in WMU406.... It's all public land save for one abandoned mine. The sanctuary is not in the middle of 406 but on the east side, adjacent to a WMU with no season. This ram may have never ventured into a legal hunting area in his life. There is no hunting in the Sanctuary and no season in the WMU he moved to. He definitely wasn't protected by some rich lease holder....he was protected by the lack of season.
Buddy and I hunted two sanctuary rams in one of the adjacent creeks. The one my buddy shot was a bruiser, the other had broomed his horns off to the point of not being legal. I could probably draw a map of the route he took and it would skirt the grazing leases to the east. It is public land there, but the adjacent ranchers make it difficult to access.
Grizz
Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man
Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln
Only one war at a time. Abe Again.
30 March 2015, 21:47
sheephunterabThere is a chunk of public in WMU406 between the sanctuary and the adjacent WMU along the Sheep River but it was closed to sheep hunting quite a number of years ago to protect those rams coming out the east side of the sanctuary.
15 April 2015, 21:07
sheephunterab