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COLOR CASE OR COIN?
13 January 2011, 07:11
jorgeCOLOR CASE OR COIN?
<IMG class="inline_image" SRC="http://www.champlinarms.com/portals/0/gunphotos/Purdey369dbly479.jpg"> <BR><BR><IMG class="inline_image" SRC="http://www.champlinarms.com/portals/0/gunphotos/Manton470y349.jpg"> If you were ordering, what is your preference?Color CaseCoin
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13 January 2011, 07:56
Nemo .450I voted for color case.
I would get color case if at all possible. The fact that no 2 peices are alike really appeals to me, and would lend to the "custom" or "bespoke" feel of the rifle.
That being said, I would like coin if I am going to have ALOT of really nice engraving.
I think I might have a hard time making up my mind, but I think I will always perfer color case hardend finish.
In short, unless I were getting an engraving masterpeice, I would go color case.
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500NI put CCH.
However, if I was ordering a Holland Royal,
it would be coin as it lends itself better
the engraving on a Holand Royal IMHO.
13 January 2011, 08:45
Idaho SharpshooterCCH, +1!
I am sending my Ondrus/Wickliffe off to CPA this week for a bit of engraving and his beautiful CCH. He produces the gorgeous ripple/swirl effect like the original Stevens.
Rich
13 January 2011, 12:25
peterdki voted coin as i think it shows a nice engraving better.
it has got to be the worst and ugliest american restock on that manton

, beaver forend and a monte carlo roll over cheek piece, the grip area is looking like he used two different shapes for it and just tried to combine it into one grip angel, with horrific results.
further more the checkering of the pistol grip close to the gripcap has got to be the worst layout i ever did see.
Damn couldent the stock maker just have killed the old warrior and let him die in peace, instead of degrading him like that.
shame on who ever did this

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peter
13 January 2011, 17:37
470Evansquote:
Originally posted by peterdk:
i voted coin as i think it shows a nice engraving better.
it has got to be the worst and ugliest american restock on that manton

, beaver forend and a monte carlo roll over cheek piece, the grip area is looking like he used two different shapes for it and just tried to combine it into one grip angel, with horrific results.
further more the checkering of the pistol grip close to the gripcap has got to be the worst layout i ever did see.
Damn couldent the stock maker just have killed the old warrior and let him die in peace, instead of degrading him like that.
shame on who ever did this

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peter
Peter,
Unfortunately, there is a very limited selection of stockers in the states who can get the style correct on a British gun. I've had two restocks done on British double rifles, one I went for the best and the other I settled and still regret it.
My third is off now at the best one in the US, it's going to be costly but done right.
I voted for CCH.
13 January 2011, 18:26
BiebsIf its British you want, send it to Lon Paul.
13 January 2011, 18:37
500NWe are blessed in Australia with having a couple of superb stockers
- I think 2 of them are mentioned in graeme Wrights book.
Would easily hold their own in the UK.
14 January 2011, 03:50
jorgeI was measured for a VC at Dallas and I'm going with CCH myself. Just wondering as to what you guys preferred. jorge
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14 January 2011, 04:09
Nemo .450I'm glad to hear your going for CCH.

I would too if given the choice.

I hope you are having 26" bbls put on it.
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catosilvajeCC looks too much like an old Sharps or Remington. Coin for me.
14 January 2011, 04:44
lee440Come on guy's!, Last time I checked, the stockmaker works for the customer. You don't have to have good taste to buy a double.
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14 January 2011, 05:01
SCZI'd vote for the color case hardening.
Sean
14 January 2011, 05:04
500Nquote:
Originally posted by lee440:
Come on guy's!, Last time I checked, the stockmaker works for the customer. You don't have to have good taste to buy a double.
That is so true. I once criticised a Shotgun that had been restocked - in a very light piece of wood. THE GUY WHO OWNED IT DIDN'T TELL ME HE HAD SUPPLIED THE WOOD !!!
The stockmaker did when I asked him.
14 January 2011, 05:17
Nemo .450As far as action finish goes, I think CCH could hide a multitude of engraving sins. Or at least dress up an action without any (or very little) engraving at all.
I very much like CCH as I could get a very pretty or even beautifull action without paying a (possibly) huge premium JUST for the hand engraving.
Personally, unless one was getting a really nice engraving job, a coin finish might (would) remind me of a Stoeger or a Baikal. In short, I think that unless it is very well finished and/or very well engraved, coin or nickle could (or in my opinion WOULD) look "cheap".
I am a traditionalist. When I can afford to, I like to do, or have things the way they were in the days of yore. I know they did coin or nickle finished receivers back then. But to me, CCH harkens back to a less hurried era, when "hand-made" was taken for granted. When things were done the "right" way, not the easy way or the cheap or inexpensive way.
I'm not trying to sound like a snob, just my humble opinion.
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Idaho SharpshooterI have to admit, that coin finish really sets off a DR with a monte carlo stock.
Rich
CCH, if you please
14 January 2011, 06:24
AkshooterIt really depends on the engraving. The examples above are English scroll and as such looks appropreate with Color case hardening.
If a rifle has deep relief and / or game scenes then French grey is more appropreate.
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14 January 2011, 06:39
Nemo .450quote:
Originally posted by Akshooter:
It really depends on the engraving. The examples above are English scroll and as such looks appropreate with Color case hardening.
If a rifle has deep relief and / or game scenes then French grey is more appropreate.
Very well said.
I agree %100.
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Express_Riflesquote:
was measured for a VC at Dallas and I'm going with CCH myself. Just wondering as to what you guys preferred. jorge
Sab rifle not all its cracked up to be huh
14 January 2011, 19:10
huskyGuess that the Manton was case hardened as new and after a lot of work it went coin finish.
the Purdey seems to have been re case hardened recently...
I would order a case hardened double, then use it a lot, finally getting a coin finish apperance.
Here's my Webley & Scott .450/.400 3 1/4" from 1922-23:
14 January 2011, 23:15
jorgequote:
Originally posted by Express_Rifles:
quote:
was measured for a VC at Dallas and I'm going with CCH myself. Just wondering as to what you guys preferred. jorge
Sab rifle not all its cracked up to be huh
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I'll bite at your trolling; As a matter of fact, the Sabbati so far has EXCEEDED all my expectations for the money invested and in my view a much better buy than a Merkel. But to make things easier, as Confiucious says " a picture's worth a thousand words" so maybe this will help" Six rounds, factory and my handloads). Maybe you can post a target from your double?
PS: I added the question mark for you (in bold) to fix your syntax.
Cheers, jorge
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15 January 2011, 00:01
Nemo .450Mr. Jorge, don't do it, don't feed the trolls!
Don't waste your logic and good sense on those who has shown themselves to be illogical and completely incapable of reason!
You see, my Mom told me a while back, "Once you answer them, you validate them". So I have made it a habit to totaly IGNORE such absurd individuals.
It must be a trial for a person of your intellectual stature to put up with such absolutely ridiculous people.
Beleive me, I share your frustration*.

At the same time, your target is a testimony to the fact that most of the Sabattis are just fine!
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retreeverI picked the winner...
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