This one looks like a nice one....

http://www.hollandandholland.com/~newyork/usedguns/998989891148.htm

For you guys looking for a modern copy of the Webley.

Very nice, but the price -the price!

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Originally posted by husky:
Very nice, but the price -the price!

Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above [/QUOTE]

This all may be true, but the weight is just too much for a hunting rifle.

JPK

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Originally posted by JPK:
Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

This all may be true, but the weight is just too much for a hunting rifle.

JPK[/QUOTE]


JPK

Yep, I definately would have said it.

Straight after I had purchased it !

I'm with JPK, it's over weight...

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by husky:
Very nice, but the price -the price!

Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

I just bought an original W&S 450/400 N. E. 3 1/4" instead for 1/4 of the price for the 'copy'

Price? That's a fair price for a modern, high quality chopper lump big bore double.

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Originally posted by husky:

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by husky:
Very nice, but the price -the price!

Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

I just bought an original W&S 450/400 N. E. 3 1/4" instead for 1/4 of the price for the 'copy'

Weak dollar/strong Euro is likely affecting that. Old English 450/400 still come up in the $10-15K range. I don't view the A&S (Famars) as a "copy", whatever is meant by that. It's not like there's a new boxlock designed every 10 years.

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Originally posted by Showbart:

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Originally posted by husky:

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Originally posted by 500N:

quote:

Originally posted by husky:
Very nice, but the price -the price!

Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

I just bought an original W&S 450/400 N. E. 3 1/4" instead for 1/4 of the price for the 'copy'

Weak dollar/strong Euro is likely affecting that. Old English 450/400 still come up in the $10-15K range. I don't view the A&S (Famars) as a "copy", whatever is meant by that. It's not like there's a new boxlock designed every 10 years.

showbart,
It was 470Evans that started to call the Famars a copy of the Webley action. Perhaps all Anson & Deely actions are copies of the first A&D action, whenever that was made -1880.s?

I like the Famars, but I consider the price to be to high for that rifle, hell you get 2-3 Searcys for that price...

I hear you. I bought a hand built Demas for a third of that as well. But it's shoe lump construction, just like Merkel, Chapuis & Heym. I assume Searcy is shoe lump too, I never looked into it.

It's the price you pay for chopper lump barrels. Shoe lump is plenty strong and will probably never wear out in my lifetime. But chopper lump is the highest quality of all. Many owners will have nothing less than chopper lump. Other owners could care less.

Those guns sell for around $45K new, if I'm not mistaken, so $33K is fine, and if in like new condition may be a bargain.

Many 470s weigh around 11 lbs. I don't think 11.5 lbs is prohibitive. Stout gun. Sweet shooter.

Showbart,
I agree, the price is decent for a rifle of that quality. I checked up the maker Famars with a friend. Famars makes perhaps the best shotguns in Italy today, which means that few British companies can compete...

The weight is fine, nothing to complain about!

My W&S has chopper lump barells. It is still in SA, but I will pick it up in May

That's why folks buy Olde British. Chopper lump.

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Originally posted by Showbart:
That's why folks buy Olde British. Chopper lump.

The total concept I guess, The name, the craftmanship, the caliber, the history, the quality of the rifle, the chopper lumps, the feeling of being a part of a time in history that is gone for ever...

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Originally posted by 500N:

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Originally posted by JPK:
Aaahh, the price.

Yep, if it was $10,000, you have still said the above

This all may be true, but the weight is just too much for a hunting rifle.

JPK

JPK

Yep, I definately would have said it.

Straight after I had purchased it ![/QUOTE]

500N,

You're right! For $10k, I would have too, and then figured out if some weight could be removed.

JPK

weight, price. . . There always seem to be enough reasons?

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Originally posted by Showbart:
I don't view the A&S (Famars) as a "copy", whatever is meant by that.

No, he's right, that's what it is. Not all boxlocks are the same, and Webley's double rifle actions differed from other boxlocks. That I know of, there are only two makers today making new versions of Webley's A & W Screw-grip long bar action, A & S, and one other. Champlin marketed this gun for a number of years under the "Champlin-Famars" name. George chose it because the Webley long bar is his favorite DR action. The chopper lump top extension and screw grip is an option (expensive) on these guns, and not all of them have it. Can't tell from the photos if this one does. These are high quality rifles.

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Many .470s weigh around 11 lbs. I don't think 11.5 lbs is prohibitive.

I agree. It says 11 lbs, 5 oz. That's about 5 ounces over ideal for a .470, but who cares about 5 ounces. Retreever has one of these in .450 No. 2. In the old Champlin catalogue entry for what I think is probably the particular rifle that Mike ended up with, it gives the weight for it at 11/5 as well. Nice handling rifle. I've never heard him complain about the weight.

I handled a new Purdey best .470 at SCI ($230,000) that was 11 lbs, 8 oz. I asked Peter Blaine about it, and he said that was the standard weight for their .470.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

I have handled, and shot Retreever's Famars 450 No2.

Of all the "newer made" doubles I have handled I think it is the best.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
weight, price. . . There always seem to be enough reasons?

Hey Rusty, I own an A&S, or Famars if you prefer, but it is a sidelock.

And its a 375H&H and weighs 8lbs 10oz.

JPK

retreever's double was the first double that I ever

shot in my life. I guess it was a little over two years

ago in February. I have shot it several times since. It

IS a really nice rifle that would serve any DR enthus-

iast quite well!!!