Gentlemen

I am looking for close pictures of the Heym PH model.
I would like to see the quality of the stock and the chekkering.

Cheers,

André

Here ya go.

Heym PH

Thanks.

Why did they not finish the stock
I would expect a bit more gloss oil finish.
My Heym Exress was the same I had to do the final finish myself.

Cheers,

André

Jeffery!

The dull finish is the preferred option on a hunting rifle. No sense in letting the glare spook an animal.

465h&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Jeffery!

The dull finish is the preferred option on a hunting rifle. No sense in letting the glare spook an animal.

465h&H

If the glare should spook the animals...the action should also have been rust blued...

The PH look fine though...but I couldn`t live with the beavertail forend. If I should get one one day, a good gunmaker would have to make new forend.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Jeffery!

The dull finish is the preferred option on a hunting rifle. No sense in letting the glare spook an animal.

465h&H

465H&H

I am NOT talking about a H&H style golss finish just some oil on the stock.
I finish stocks myself and there are many grades of oil finish.
You seal the stock with some oil to make thew stock tough and water resistant.

Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Jeffery!

The dull finish is the preferred option on a hunting rifle. No sense in letting the glare spook an animal.

465h&H

If the glare should spook the animals...the action should also have been rust blued...

The PH look fine though...but I couldn`t live with the beavertail forend. If I should get one one day, a good gunmaker would have to make new forend.

Jens there is NO beavertail forend!

Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Jeffery!

The dull finish is the preferred option on a hunting rifle. No sense in letting the glare spook an animal.

465h&H

If the glare should spook the animals...the action should also have been rust blued...

The PH look fine though...but I couldn`t live with the beavertail forend. If I should get one one day, a good gunmaker would have to make new forend.

Jens there is NO beavertail forend!

Cheers,

André

Yah....your right
But I would still tear it of

Check www.heymusa.com - Chris Sells is the owner.

CALL HIM! Ask about different type forend, different

shaped cheek piece, different barrel length and so

on. You'll be glad you did if you've decided you

don't want a vintage or newer used rifle. And he
might have some of those too.

The stock on th PH shown on Heym USA's page is very nice and looks a bit more oil worked.

The one i the auction is a bit dry IMO

Cheers,

André

I handled 2 different Heym 450/400's at DSC, both were nice.

I prefered the one with out a cheekpiece.

450....I think I'd agree if it had just a bit of right-hand cast to it. As you know that was Mr. Craig's iron and it was stocked totally neutral. But the lack of a cheekpiece gave it a real classic look. Very nice firearm.

Nice meeting you at the show....enjoyed chatting.

Gary
DRSS
NRA Lifer
SCI
DSC

A little price heavy. That guy at euroguns that has been at the DSC for years had one with what I can see better wood and the Blue is duller on the one I saw and it was 15600 sumtin what gives. fwiw

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Gentlemen

I am looking for close pictures of the Heym PH model.
I would like to see the quality of the stock and the chekkering.

Cheers,

André

This is as close as I have.

All of the pores will be filled on your "PH" model.

For an additional fee they will build up the finish to a gloss.

Thanks for the picture.

Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
I handled 2 different Heym 450/400's at DSC, both were nice.

I prefered the one with out a cheekpiece.

Though cheek pieces look cool, not sure they serve any purpose. I suppose whether they fit or not is dependent on your face shape and how you hold the gun.

I also liked the cheekpiece-less one too, but I wanted someone else to take the heat for it first!

Andre, if you are considering buying a Heym, go and handle as many current production doubles as you can. I have owned an 88B in .470NE (same as the PH+engraving) for several years. IMHO it is one of the best balanced and made current production doubles under $30,000.00. As New Guy indicated, a degree of custom fitting/finish can be had at a reasonable price.

Geronimo

Geronimo

I keep hearing that the balance in these doubles are great .
My friend are getting one and I am helping out with the details.
We just wanted to see what a standard stock looked like.
I would upgrade the wood and go with custom chekering.

Cheers,

André

I saw a PH model at DSC last week and I thought the rifle looked pretty good. The price was a little higher than I thought it would be and I thought the forearm a bit slim, for me. I shoot a rifle with a thicker forearm better than a slim one, however, the English have been shooting rifles with splinter forearms for about 100yrs

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Originally posted by Bryan Chick:
I saw a PH model at DSC last week and I thought the rifle looked pretty good. The price was a little higher than I thought it would be and I thought the forearm a bit slim, for me. I shoot a rifle with a thicker forearm better than a slim one, however, the English have been shooting rifles with splinter forearms for about 100yrs

Bryan, of course you may do as it pleases you, but the forarm wood on a double rifle is not to be held tightly when fireing the rifle. The proper drill is, to hold the forend wood's front end, in the palm of your hand, with the fingers wrapped around the barrels. This is the reason the splinter forend is not only narrow, but short as well. With any double haveing chambers larger than 9.3X74R, gripping only the wood, as one does with a beavertail forend,on a shotgun, places a lot of strain on the wood, and the attachment of the forend to the barrels, of a double rifle! The splinter forend wood was designed, the way it is, strictly for that reason.

Of course this is partially a personal thing, as far as looks goes, and if you want a beavertail forend wood on your double, they are easy, and not very costly to change out. Still the proper way to hold the rifle is hendered by a fat forend! The Heym forend is wider than necessary, IMO, and I would slim it down some if it were mine!

I shot one of the new Heym 450/400NE 3" PH models down at the DRSS hunt/shoot last week, and that rifle is extremely accurate, and handles like a dream. IMO, that rifle is worth every penny of it's price, but I still would slim down the forend some, and re-checker!

The beavertail forend is one of the real reasons I dislike the Chapuis double rifles! The Merkel double rifles have about the proper width, of the forend, but is a little too long, and I plan to shorten the forend wood on the two Merkel double rifles I own!

What ever flies your kite, is what you should get, and if that is a beavertail forend then real out the kite string, and lett-er fly! Even if you have to add more wood to the forend, the Heym is a REAL double rifle, especially chambered for the 450/400NE 3"!

Mac: If I understand you; when you mount the rifle your fingers grip both the foreend and the barrels at the same time. After a jillion years shooting free floating barrels, that would take a bit of getting used too. Thanks for the info.

Bryan, the barrels are the actual grip and the splinter forearm is just there to fill out the hand.

Geronimo

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Originally posted by Bryan Chick:
Mac: If I understand you; when you mount the rifle your fingers grip both the foreend and the barrels at the same time. After a jillion years shooting free floating barrels, that would take a bit of getting used too. Thanks for the info.

Bryan, the reason for free floated barrels on a single barrel rifle are because the accuracy is affected by the wood touching the barrel disrupting the Harmonics of the barrel. Harmonics play no part in the accuracy in a double rifle,the barrels being tied together by the soldering of the ribs. However, your hand pressure during recoil does have an effect! This is the reason why a double rifle will not shoot properly if the forend is rested directly on a sandbag, or the butt stock supported on a bag. The whole accuracy thing in a double rifle is an entirely different thing when compared to a single barrel rifle!

To get the best from a double rifle the rifle must be allowed to recoil naturally, as it does when shooting off hand. Because of the thing called "BARREL TIME" (how long the bullet takes to exit the muzzles within the recoil arch), and the recoil arch, which must be free of touching anything other than the shooter's face, hands, and shoulder, to regulate properly, the rifle must be held properly.

The reason for this is the barrel regulation has to have the barrels converging, with a line of sight through the barrels seeming to cross.

If you place a double rifle's barrel set in a vice so with the sights lined up on an aiming point on a target @ the sight regulated (in big bores usually 50 Mtrs, and 100 mtrs for small bores like the 9.3X74R) distance, then look through the barrels. What you will see will be the RIGHT BARREL looking at a point that is LOW, and on the LEFT of the target's aiming point. The LEFT BARREL will be pointing LOW, and RIGHT of that aiming point on the target.

This is because the barrels being left and right of the center of the rifle, they will recoil UP, and AWAY from the other barrel. If the load is proper, the bullet will take the right amount of time, to exit the muzzle when the barrel is pointed at the target where the sights were looking when the trigger was pulled. This means the RIGHT barrel will rise, UP, and to the RIGHT, and vice-versa for the left barrel. This means each barrel will be pointing at the aiming point on the target when the bullet exits the muzzles, if the load is proper, and the rifle is held properly. Anything touching the rifle other that the shooter will interfere with this chain of events, and the rifle will not shoot properly.

There is a misconception, even among some who have been shooting double rifle for years, that the barrels are regulated to cross the shots at the regulated distance! That is absolutely not true. The barrels must be soldered converging, so they will be pointing at the proper place when the bullets exit the muzzles (To Shoot PARALELL)! The advertised "REGULATED DISTANCE" has only to do with the iron sights, meaning the sights are cut so the rifle is shooting to the sights at that distance, for windage, and elevation, and not where the shots cross, because they do not cross. The sights are regulated to point to the center of a composite group of both barrels at that distance, nothing more!

Because even many double rifle owners, and shooters, believe the shots cross, is it any wonder that single barrel shooters, and even very well known Gunsmiths believe that too? The person that is hardest to make understand the dynamics of double rifles is, the Long-range target shooter. The fact that many respected gun writers write this ignorance as fact, in their writings in Gun rags! Many take the word "IGNORANT" to mean stupid but it simply means one does not know something, and has nothing to do with intelligence!

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Well said

Regarding the finish on the Heym Pro Hunter stock I would agree the finish is not up to the standard of the 88B Safari Klassic rifles. But this is just a measure to reduce the cost in producing the rifle. Of the 4 Heym 88Bs I have in stock, the PH is on the bottom of the list as far as stock finish is concerned. Of course the finish is adequate to protect the wood. But Heym wanted to make a Heym rifle that was priced lower and this was one of the concessions to reduce the price. And as members are posting, you can refinish to your own taste, or just continue the oil finish and rechecker. The Heym PH is the same rifle as their other 88Bs

I’ll clarify a few comments from above with current facts.

The first few "PH" rifles that came out of production did have lower grade of wood and lesser quality of finish on the stock. They also had a plastic grip cap and a lower grade of finish on the wood. These rifles went to Spain and are the same group that Charles' rifle comes from, so his observations are correct.

However, the specifications for the “PH†changed on about rifle # 5 and the stocks now come with the same finish as the rest of the graded double rifles and all pores are filled, etc... The PH also has a steel grip cap, and a higher grade of wood than the first few rifles did.

As you know, “utility grade†wood and unfilled pores just won’t cut it in the US market, so the changes were made quickly as market potential in the US was realized.


André - The "PH" grade rifles have been sold primarily in the US. There are a few in Spain, and several on their way to Africa, but your path of least resistance would be to coordinate a trip to the factory to see one. You're relatively close and there are several in production now.

Gentlemen, I had an opportunity to look over, handle, and shoot, the new PH by Heym, chambered for the 450-/400NE 3†Jeffery cartridge, at the last DRSS hunt/shoot at the 4K Ranch, in the hill country of Texas, earlier this month! I was more than a little impressed, to say the least.
This rifle came in at around 10 lbs, and was balanced perfectly, IMO! The accuracy doesn’t have to apologize to anyone. I found the rifle to be dead on the sights at the regulated range of the standing rear sight, holding the bead in the bottom of the wide “V†and covering what you want to shoot. This amounts to having a bull’s eye that follows the rifle’s line of sight. At 50 yds, it shows about a 4†bull’s eye on the target, and will place both barrels inside what that bead covers. It shoots like it is a mind reader, and knows what you want. I had no problem, at all, hitting wind bounced baloons like I was useing a lazer!
The stock wood was very nice,in fact, better than some up-grades on other makes, for a bottom of the line double rifle, on all the ones I’ve seen, and shot. In fact, I commented to Chris Sells (NEW GUY), at the DSC show, about the nice wood, and he told me the wood on the PH now is just Heym quality, pulled from the wood pile, but very well filled, finished, and checkered, with a steel grip cap, and a very effective recoil pad! The Heym S/S double rifles are as good as it gets on the off-the-shelf double rifles on the market today.
I’m thinking it is going to be hard to keep myself in check, on this one, but I may loose resolve, and just have to have one of these little jewels!

you've sold me Mac... dadgummit.

New Guy,
I see that the wood is proud of the metal even on the higher grade guns like this one on the heymusa website:


Is there a reason that they decided to do it this way? It really looks out of place.

It allows for future wood refinishes that way. You

can order a rifle to have the wood NOT proud if

that suits you. Options are good most of the time.

Mac's last post is spot on. I too handled and fires the new Heym 450/400 at the DRSS hunt/shoot.

Of all the new made big bore doubles I have ever shot, I like this one the best.

I fired several rounds through my 9,3x74R Chaupis immediately before firing the 400 Heym.
I fired both rifles off hand.

The 400 Heym was very soft shooting, very accurate,it is very well balanced, and it fit me perfect.

A 450/400 3" Heym, with a scope in claw mounts, just might be the best choice in a double rifle, for the modern Safari Hunter.

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Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
It allows for future wood refinishes that way. You

can order a rifle to have the wood NOT proud if

that suits you. Options are good most of the time.

I would definitely want it not proud if that was an option at no extra cost. I can't see the logic of leaving it undone on purpose. I am very new to double rifles so my opinion probably doesn't carry much weight anyway.

JohnAir - BigJackFive is correct. The idea is to leave wood for refinishing the stock in the future.

If a customer wants the wood flush, that's easily accomodated. It's your choice.