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45 cal. best cal.to find in Africa
02 October 2011, 07:29
bullwaller45 cal. best cal.to find in Africa
If you were going to get a double in 45 cal. that you could find ammo in most of Africa what would it be?
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02 October 2011, 07:53
Bill73My guess and I am only guessing is that it would be the 458 Win Mag,but there's a lot of controversy regarding such a caliber and it's suitability in a DR
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02 October 2011, 08:28
Mike BrooksAre you worried about a remote 'what if'?
What happens when the rifle misplaced? Toss rocks?
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02 October 2011, 12:51
mouse93.458 win no doubt
03 October 2011, 07:17
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I would say the 458 Win Mag would be the most likely .45 cal to be found.
I would also say get a .450#2 (better double round) and take plenty of ammo in several different bags. We have all heard of guns and ammo getting lost but I haven’t heard of all your bags getting lost at least not lately. I hope we can hear from some of the recent travelers.
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05 October 2011, 08:32
MacD37I’d say the easiest to find loaded ammo for only the .458 diameter it would definitely be the 458 WIN MAG, followed by the 458 LOTT for bolt rifles! For double rifles my guess would be that old tried and true 450NE 3/14 inch, and after that just about any of the .450NE flanged cartridges.
I would say the easiest loaded ammo to find in Africa regardless of caliber but legal for dangerous game in most places would be in order easiest to hardest:
For bolt rifles:
#1 … 375H&H
#2 ….9.3X62
#3…..458 Win Mag
#4…. 458 LOTT
#5……460 Wby mag
# 6……505 Gibbs
For Double rifles:
#1….. 470NE
#2…..450NE 3 ¼ inch
#3…. 500NE
#4….. 577NE
However, if you are shooting a 458LOTT and loose your ammo, and can’t find 458LOTT, buy 458 Win Mag it will work just fine in your lott chamber! You may have to do a little adjust on your scope though.
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05 October 2011, 19:15
ledvm.470 NE
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05 October 2011, 21:21
Biebsquote:
buy 458 Win Mag it will work just fine in your lott chamber
Mac, how about a 450 Ackley? It'll do them all!
06 October 2011, 05:40
Snowwolfequote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
.470 NE
He asked about 45 caliber, not 47.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
06 October 2011, 22:27
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
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buy 458 Win Mag it will work just fine in your lott chamber
Mac, how about a 450 Ackley? It'll do them all!
You are correct in you assesment of the 450 Ackley but it wont shoot in a 458 LOTT chamber, and I doubt you would find replacement ammo if yours was lost in transit!
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07 October 2011, 00:29
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
.470 NE
He asked about 45 caliber, not 47.
Last time I checked...I could read.
Just saying...if you want a double that is the easiest to buy ammo for in Africa...and ~.45 cal...the .470NE is the way to go.
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
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07 October 2011, 02:37
Snowwolfequote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
.470 NE
He asked about 45 caliber, not 47.
Last time I checked...I could read.
Good for you
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
07 October 2011, 04:05
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
.470 NE
He asked about 45 caliber, not 47.
Last time I checked...I could read.
Good for you
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
08 October 2011, 06:40
safari-lawyer458WM is the answer to the question.
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08 October 2011, 06:55
mdstewartIf I wanted a .458 calibre double rifle, and had the funds to suport such a purchase, I would attempt to buy the Heym 88B in .458WM that Will Parks referred to earlier if I could get it for $12,500 or less. I would not consider rechambering it, as Heym has demonstrated over the past decade that their ejectors have never once failed (unless can be proven otherwise) with the belted rounds vs. the extractor rounds.
Talk theory all you want. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Until a belted modern day double has proven to fail in ejection (not extraction) then I say buy the one that you like and is the best bang for your buck.
Naysayers, give real examples of failures in the modern Heyms, Chapuis's, Merkel's, H&H's. I don't think there are any.
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08 October 2011, 11:35
jvw375We can find .458 Win and .375 H&H most anywhere as they are loaded here in SA by PMP. .416 Rigby is reasonably plentiful as well, whilst the .416 Rem is pretty close to unobtainable and not very popular at all. The bigger shops in the cities MAY have .470, but don't bet on it. .500, .450 NE, .500 & .404 Jeffery, .458 Lott and .505 Gibbs are scarce and close to unobtainable almost anywhere and the people I know who own rifles chambered for any of them are all reloaders. I know my post doesn't deal specifically with .450, but I thought I'd mention what's available over here so you know.