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Black Powder Bore Rifles - What Game?
29 January 2015, 07:24
loud-n-boomerBlack Powder Bore Rifles - What Game?
I shoot a couple of .62-caliber (20-bore) muzzleloadering rifles and consider them suitable for anything in North America. I know that 8-bores and larger were considered suitable for elephant. I am curious as to what size game the smaller than 8-bore (10-bore, 12-bore, etc.) bore rifles (muzzleloader and black powder cartridge) were considered generally suitable for.
One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx
29 January 2015, 07:46
cal pappasYou will read in history of gents who used an 8-bore for general purpose. I have shot two American bison with a 4-bore double that dates from 1890. I had a moose called in a few years ago with my 8-bore but it was not legal size.
They are great fun!
Cal
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29 January 2015, 17:53
loud-n-boomerThanks Cal. What about the smaller bore sizes? Were 10-bore or 12-bore considered adequate for cape buffalo for instance, or was the 20-bore considered a general use rifle? Inquiring minds need to know!

One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx
29 January 2015, 18:31
cal pappasBoth 10s and 12s were loaded to buffalo levels and white tail levels. Many of the 12s and 20s were used for deer. Have you seen my book on the bore rifles? 416 glossy pages of 28 up to 4 bores.
They will do the same today with either black or smokeless. Fairly easy to calculate loads for bore rifles with Blue Dot powder.
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
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2003 Zimbabwe
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2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
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2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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30 January 2015, 04:52
loud-n-boomerThanks Cal. I have now that you mentioned it. Looks like I need a copy.
One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx
30 January 2015, 04:59
jazI have seen a 12 dram Holland Double 12 bore which weighed almost 14 pounds. That was built as an elephant rifle. Balls were alloyed and heat treated which were very functional.
I once shot a whitetail with an 8 bore through the front chest. The bullet exited his hind quarter with a huge hole and lodged in a cherry tree. The deer flipped completely backward.
If the rifle was built big enough to handle the charge, almost any could be used for large game.
30 January 2015, 15:51
GDavidsonBack in the late 1970's I owned a Holland 12 Bore double rifle that weighed 16 lbs and was cased in its original case with bullet mold that took a 4 1/4" brass case. It was in almost new condition and was made for the Nawab of Bhopol. The original charge card in the case stated 10 drams. Could not afford to keep it and traded it off, I did talk to the guy who bought it and after he shot it he said the 10 dram loads had very little velocity increase from 7 or 8 drams. Thats probably why Holland and Holland has record of only one made (along with a single shot). The double rifle was an underlever hammer.
30 January 2015, 18:01
cal pappasloud-n-boomer:
PM me for information on my bore rifle book or look on my website <calpappas.com> and Books by Cal on the navigation bar.
Also, I have a 12-bore double rifle if you're interested. PM for details.
Cheers,
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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