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Verney Carron SAGITTAIRE O/U 9,3x74r
26 August 2012, 22:41
Mike_DettorreVerney Carron SAGITTAIRE O/U 9,3x74r
What do you guys think of these?
Have always thought of getting a double and I like O/Us better than SxS
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
26 August 2012, 23:37
Bill/OregonMike, a very tempting rifle for the price. I wish I preferred O/U to SXS, and I would be set.
There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t.
– John Green, author
27 August 2012, 00:07
MacD37Who has a link to VC rifles? I can't get anything for some reason.
....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
Hands of Old Elmer Keith
27 August 2012, 00:14
Mike_Dettorre http://www.verney-carron.us/ MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
27 August 2012, 03:09
BiebsMac, I think they put you on their "ignore" list :-)
27 August 2012, 04:03
Kebco http://members.gunsinternation...cfm?gun_id=100235313The Sagittaire model comes out of the production part of the factory. The version imported into the US does not cosmetically look anything like the guns made for the European market.
Ken
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Life NRA
Life SCI
Life DSC
27 August 2012, 05:10
BiebsWow, can't beat the price.
27 August 2012, 06:38
209jonesI loooked and loooked at those guns for a while, or the Chapuis C10, couldn't talk myself out of a SXS.
Krieghoff Classic 30R Blaser
Stevens 044-1/2 218 Bee
Ruger #1A 7-08
Rem 700 7-08
Tikka t3x lite 6.5 creedmo
Tikka TAC A1 6.5 creedmo
Win 1885 300H&H. 223Rem
Merkel K1 7 Rem mag
CCFR
27 August 2012, 08:30
Brandon.Gleasonquote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Wow, can't beat the price.
I'll say! Are they available in other calibers?
27 August 2012, 09:37
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Mac, I think they put you on their "ignore" list :-)
I wouldn't doubt that after the last little crapfest on the Sabbs!
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....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
Hands of Old Elmer Keith
27 August 2012, 16:30
Kebcoquote:
Originally posted by FFemt5287:
quote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Wow, can't beat the price.
I'll say! Are they available in other calibers?
8x57 and 30R Blaser are also available. I have talked to the factory about adding 45-70, 7.62x54R, and 20ga fully rifled. Since these are production grade guns a second set of barrels can be added to a order at a lower cost than the custom shop guns. The second set of barrels would need to be factory fitted.
Ken
DRSS, PP Chapter
Life NRA
Life SCI
Life DSC
27 August 2012, 17:24
zhabaI really like the 450-400NE Ken had built sometime ago and have been trying to sort out the funds to get one made myself,very cool
27 August 2012, 17:34
KebcoDifferent model, the 450-400 is the SX model, they are made in the Custom shop
Ken
DRSS, PP Chapter
Life NRA
Life SCI
Life DSC
28 August 2012, 05:26
mdstewartThe .375 Flanged Chapuis that Kebco has listed on Gunsintenational is one of the best looking O/U's I've seen for the money, and what a great caliber.
JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72
David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore
Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06
Walther PPQ H2 9mm
Walther PPS M2
Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus
And Too Many More
28 August 2012, 07:15
vangulikWhat is the availability in the US for 375 Flanged loaded ammunition? As a current non-reloader, still working full-time at almost 70 and have little enough time for actually shooting, this is an important question to me , and probably others.
28 August 2012, 17:05
KebcoNorma available now, Nosler says they will load it but not sure if it is available yet
Ken
DRSS, PP Chapter
Life NRA
Life SCI
Life DSC
28 August 2012, 18:20
mdstewartquote:
Originally posted by Kebco:
Norma available now, Nosler says they will load it but not sure if it is available yet
Ken,
I'm guessing the Chapuis you have for sale was regulated with Norma. Do you know?
JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72
David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore
Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55
Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06
Walther PPQ H2 9mm
Walther PPS M2
Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus
And Too Many More