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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
One rifle in particular sticks in my head. I dont know what the history of this gun was but the action looked cosmetically raw and unfinished. It was plain jane, no engraving and that may have made it look worse too. The wood to metal in the rear of this particular action wasnt well done either. Having said that I know quite a few guys who shoot Heyms and they absolutely love them... I guess I was just expecting more.??

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Originally posted by Snowwolfe:

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Originally posted by jorge:
I am by no means a fan of Heyms, but my reasons are purely one of taste, nothing more. They just look unfinished and very plain. I looked at them as well as K guns at DSC and decided the VCs were for me.
For anybody to say anything less than they are masterpieces of German engineering, is either a fool or have an agenda, you know kinda like the two who reported problems with VCs.

You really think I would ignore your immature comments? Agenda?
Oh sure, I wanted to return a $12,000 VC rifle that looked beautiful but was unregulated and shot a nice tight 8-10 inch group at 50 yards with Hornady factory ammo just so I could buy a $17,000 Heym PH. Where is the logic in that?
Ironic I never had any issues shooting either of my Chapuis's, Searcy or the Heym yet the VC proved to be unsatifactory. Pay attention to the fact you are the one who keeps on resurfacing this subject. Go play in your sand box and continue to be an internet troll.

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Originally posted by new_guy:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
One rifle in particular sticks in my head. I dont know what the history of this gun was but the action looked cosmetically raw and unfinished. It was plain jane, no engraving and that may have made it look worse too. The wood to metal in the rear of this particular action wasnt well done either. Having said that I know quite a few guys who shoot Heyms and they absolutely love them... I guess I was just expecting more.??

Thanks, Matt. I appreciate your input.

In regards to your expectations, we build rifles in different grades of finish.
- The less expensive rifles have less finish.
- The more expensive rifles have more finish.

The rifle you saw was our lowest grade of finish. What Professional Hunters requested in this model were the mechanical features of a "best" grade rifle that they could afford.

1) Automatic Ejectors
2) Intercepting Sears
3) Articulated Front Trigger
4) Stocked to Fit (Right or Left Hand)
5) Your choice of Caliber and Barrel length
6) Cocking Indicators
7) Non-Automatic Safety

To keep these features and quality and lower the price, it's logical that something has to go.

Here is where the savings are:
1) no engraving (immediate cost reduction)
2) less striking/polish on the barrels (less labor = less cost)
3) wood proud of metal (PHs tend to be rough on their guns, and more wood proud leaves more refinishes in the future.)
4) one step down in grade of wood (phs tend to be concerned with strength over figure)
5) short trigger-guard (cuts inletting time)

Of course we could have taken off the intercepting sears and left the engraving, but I think it would be short-sighted to sacrifice safety for appearances.

Your reaction is very similar to that of many first-time buyers.

They have seen rifles with some engraving and "shine" on them at similar prices, but they don't understand that these "shiny" rifles are lacking the mechanical features of the less-“shiny” PH grade.

Once they understand the differences, it's a simple decision; they either want a rifle with some engraving, or they want a rifle with no engraving and all the best mechanical features. That decision is the customer's.

Fortunately, we offer both in a variety of grades targeted at a variety of budgets.

I guess when you say you were expecting more, it’s a matter of whether you’re looking on the inside or the outside for the “more.”

I would invite you to look at one of the higher grade HEYMs. They are more expensive than the PH, but you'll find the finish you're looking for.