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Large frame Heym
18 May 2013, 00:14
MississippianLarge frame Heym
If there's anyone here that has fielded a large frame Heym in 470 or 500 would you please share your thoughts. I'm double rifle shopping and these seem interesting.
Double Rifle Shooters Society
You will have to ask Sam Rose for he has the 500NE that Chris had in Dallas. But having coon fingered the hell out of that rifle, I would have to say it was the best feeling new double I have picked up. I thought its balance was very good, it felt much like a english made rifle of yesteryear. At 11 lbs. 8oz. I think it would be about right for the 500, and say this having shot a normal frame Heym of the same caliber that was a pound lighter that was too light in my opinion. If I was purhasing a new current production 500 NE, this would be my choice with 26" barrels.
18 May 2013, 01:53
Safari JamesI currently shoot a Heym 450/400 and a 470. I have shot the new frame size in 577 and fell in love with it. As such, I am ordering a 500 and 577 from Chris. Anyway, the 500 and 577 are nicely balanced and feel lighter than they are. The boys at Heym definitely got this one right.
As a side note, for those that have considered attending the Heym Big Bore Challenge I would highly recommend it. The venue provides an excellent opportunity to shoot a number of Heym big bore doubles along with getting a firsthand look at the Heym manufacturing facility and actually meeting the people that are responsible crafting these fine rifles.
Feel free to PM me.
Safari James
USMC
DRSS
I love my medium frame 500 Heym so much that I had them build me a 577 on the same frame. Safari James did you shoot my gun as I thought mine was the first 577 to be built on the new frame size? Maybe that's why I haven't gotten it yet, Chris is shooting it!
Sam
18 May 2013, 04:43
Safari JamesSrose: I shot the new frame size 577 at the Heym Challenge along with a number of other doubles in various calibers and frame sizes. IMHO the new frame size puts the big bore Heym doubles in another class of rifle. As I said in my previous post... it has caused me to order a 500 and 577. Another AR member was with me and he too is ordering a 577 built on the new frame.
Safari James
USMC
DRSS
Safari James,
I wonder if that was my gun. Do you know what the 577 weighed? I wanted it to be as close to the 500 as possible. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Chris told me I'd have it by the end of this month.
Sam
18 May 2013, 10:22
N E 450 No2Mississippian
The new larger framed Heyms in 470 and 500 handle and shoot very well.
The larger frame size puts the ballance between the hands, just like an original British double.
I highly recommend them.
DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY
18 May 2013, 17:47
MississippianGentlemen , thank you for the comments. If anyone has pictures of this model that would be helpful.
Double Rifle Shooters Society
Page 9 of the 500 New Exploration thread has photos of my large frame Heym 500.
18 May 2013, 20:33
MississippianThank you, I'll take a look
Double Rifle Shooters Society
19 May 2013, 02:29
BockhunterThe .577 NE that we shoot at the event was an prototyp, also the .577 with the laser at the computerstage.
quote:
Originally posted by srose:
Page 9 of the 500 New Exploration thread has photos of my large frame Heym 500.
That's a fine looking gun Sam. Judging by the wood Hyem really wanted to showcase their first double built on the new frame size.
Rhodes
DRSS
Thanks Rhodes, When I handled it I had to have it and ordered a 577 on the same frame at the same time. That one should be in my hands soon and from the photos I was sent it is going to be a beauty also.
Sam
It sounds like Hyem are really making an effort at getting the balance right on their doubles.
Just looking at the barrel taper in this pic. How thin are they going at the muzzle to get the balance on this one?
Rhodes
DRSS
19 May 2013, 08:22
Mississippian"That's a fine looking gun Sam. Judging by the wood Hyem really wanted to showcase their first double built on the new frame size."
I agree, the wood looks great on SAMs rifle! Wish I would have made it to the show to have seen first hand!
Double Rifle Shooters Society
The muzzles of this gun are .740 diameter. The weight is in the hand and balance point is just forward of hinge pin. No mercury or lead in the stock. Made the way it should be.
19 May 2013, 19:39
MississippianSrose, if your getting a 577 soon then you shouldn't need that 500!
Double Rifle Shooters Society
I have several other 500s I'll get rid of.
20 May 2013, 00:17
shootaway[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rhodes:
It sounds like Hyem are really making an effort at getting the balance right on their doubles.
Just looking at the barrel taper in this pic. How thin are they going at the muzzle to get the balance on this one?
Rhodes
DRSS[/QUOTE
Nice looking rifle!
Does the larger frame cost more?
21 May 2013, 07:24
Dave BushDoes the large frame weigh more?
Dave
DRSS
Chapuis 9.3X74
Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL
Krieghoff 500/.416 NE
Krieghoff 500 NE
"Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer"
"If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition).
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Does the large frame weigh more?
Yes....it is bigger....
Mac
22 May 2013, 00:30
Dave BushThis is an interesting thread. Heym is building a larger, heavier doubles while the trend in bolt rifles seem to be going in just the opposite direction, short, light, and handy.
Dave
DRSS
Chapuis 9.3X74
Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL
Krieghoff 500/.416 NE
Krieghoff 500 NE
"Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer"
"If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition).
This is an interesting thread. Heym is building a larger, heavier doubles while the trend in bolt rifles seem to be going in just the opposite direction, short, light, and handy.
Heym got in on that too, with their Martini bolt rifles - very nice too!
Master of Boats,
Slayer of Beasts,
Charmer of the fair sex, ......
and sometimes changer of the diaper.....
I like light short and handy so its kind of funny I went to heavier and longer. This Heym large frame is so nice and is built like the old English guns that feel so good. Heym is building them like they used to. The old masters knew what they were doing.
24 May 2013, 16:04
eezridrI own one double (Heym) but have dealt with vintage SXS shotguns for 30 years. Most old SXS shotguns had 13-13.5" LOP's which would suggest the average person was shorter in stature than our current generation. I am about 6 ft tall and prefer a 14.75- 15" LOP on a open sight SXS shotgun or rifle (Front trigger).
Do you find these larger vintage SXS rifles with longer LOP's or do do they follow the trend with the vintage shotguns?
Sorry to hi jack this thread, just making the gun larger caught my attention.
EZ
24 May 2013, 17:27
DUKE NUKEMquote:
Heym in 470 or 500
Suscribed
quote:
Originally posted by srose:
The muzzles of this gun are .740 diameter. The weight is in the hand and balance point is just forward of hinge pin. No mercury or lead in the stock. Made the way it should be.
Sam
I just saw your responce to my question above. Thankyou for taking the time to measure and respond.
Rhodes
DRSS
30 May 2013, 22:27
new_guyKelly - here are some previous photos you may or may not have seen on the larger frame size.
Lighter or heavier, the choice is the customers'... We are building double rifles on 5 different frame sizes to provide as many options as possible, and we are always improving and responding to the market's wishes.
Having said that, I am a bit partial to the heavier frame. As Sam points out, it "feels like" a pre-war English rifle, and that's no accident.
I shot the 577 on this frame size in Germany last month, and it is quite pleasant. I would not have guessed it, but I do stand corrected.
I have another large frame 470 in Customs now. As soon as it is released, I will get some more photos for you.
The Norwegian Heym distributor told me the price for Heym large frame started at 28.000 euro while the standard safari at 13.500 euro. Is it really twice the price?
30 May 2013, 23:14
DUKE NUKEMNice!
30 May 2013, 23:55
N E 450 No2Norsk
I think that distributor might be refering to the Heym Jumbo sidelock frame, not the new larger 88B frame.
DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY
31 May 2013, 00:56
new_guyquote:
Originally posted by Norsk:
The Norwegian Heym distributor told me the price for Heym large frame started at 28.000 euro while the standard safari at 13.500 euro. Is it really twice the price?
13,500 Euro is about right on the standard frame, the cost is roughly the same here in the US at 17K.
There are some development costs that make the larger frame in 470 & 500 a bit more expensive, but we have absorbed those costs in the US and are selling the larger frame for the same price as the smaller frame. Depending on volume, (which is good so far) that may or may not change.
I'm not sure where the 28K Euro comes from.
31 May 2013, 05:55
MississippianChris, thanks for posting the pictures, that is very helpful.
Double Rifle Shooters Society
Sounds like my Heym distributor here is as ignorant as I have heard from others. If I order a Heym I will have to to import it myself to Norway. New-Guy what do you think would be my best option doing this? Could you export to me from the US?
31 May 2013, 10:59
DUKE NUKEMI like the case coloring.
31 May 2013, 20:56
new_guyquote:
Originally posted by Norsk:
Sounds like my Heym distributor here is as ignorant as I have heard from others. If I order a Heym I will have to to import it myself to Norway. New-Guy what do you think would be my best option doing this? Could you export to me from the US?
PM Sent
31 May 2013, 20:57
new_guyquote:
Originally posted by DUKE NUKEM:
I like the case coloring.
We have recently switched to Max Ern for the case colors. His are a bit different than above but very, very nice.
Here is his website.
Max Ern01 June 2013, 01:46
Dave Bushquote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
Kelly - here are some previous photos you may or may not have seen on the larger frame size.
Lighter or heavier, the choice is the customers'... We are building double rifles on 5 different frame sizes to provide as many options as possible, and we are always improving and responding to the market's wishes.
Having said that, I am a bit partial to the heavier frame. As Sam points out, it "feels like" a pre-war English rifle, and that's no accident.
I shot the 577 on this frame size in Germany last month, and it is quite pleasant. I would not have guessed it, but I do stand corrected.
I have another large frame 470 in Customs now. As soon as it is released, I will get some more photos for you.
Todd:
Take a look at the middle picture. VC in the same class as a Heym.
Really? I think you need to handle a few more Heyms.
Hey Chris, the large frame 577 that you shot, any idea what it weighed?
Dave
DRSS
Chapuis 9.3X74
Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL
Krieghoff 500/.416 NE
Krieghoff 500 NE
"Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer"
"If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition).
05 June 2013, 07:40
ExpressYourselfquote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
quote:
Originally posted by Norsk:
The Norwegian Heym distributor told me the price for Heym large frame started at 28.000 euro while the standard safari at 13.500 euro. Is it really twice the price?
13,500 Euro is about right on the standard frame, the cost is roughly the same here in the US at 17K.
There are some development costs that make the larger frame in 470 & 500 a bit more expensive, but we have absorbed those costs in the US and are selling the larger frame for the same price as the smaller frame. Depending on volume, (which is good so far) that may or may not change.
I'm not sure where the 28K Euro comes from.
Chris,
Sent you a PM.
Shawn
