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15 April 2014, 05:07
steyrsteve
Clark Double Rifles?
Just ran across the website for Clark Double Rifles. It appears to be the same company owned by the late Jimmy Clark of pistol shooting fame. Anyone know anything about these rifles? Not in a position to buy right now, just curious....


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15 April 2014, 18:28
cal pappas
Another try at making a cheap double rifle: sleeved barrels, shotgun action, etc.
Prices begin at 5K.
It is impossible to make a quality double rifle for $5000.
Especially in the US labor market.
Cal


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15 April 2014, 19:57
Snowwolfe
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Another try at making a cheap double rifle: sleeved barrels, shotgun action, etc.
Prices begin at 5K.
It is impossible to make a quality double rifle for $5000.
Especially in the US labor market.
Cal


Chapuis does it with the UGEX. Last one I had built was well under $5k and they even changed the triggers so the left was out in front as I am left handed. But as we all know they only go up to 9,3x74R.


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16 April 2014, 03:57
dpcd
France? Yes. US and Germany? No.
16 April 2014, 06:03
MacD37
Chapuis does it with the UGEX. Last one I had built was well under $5k and they even changed the triggers so the left was out in front as I am left handed. But as we all know they only go up to 9,3x74R.[/QUOTE]

quote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
France? Yes. US and Germany? No.


There a lot of double rifles made for 5K or there abouts chambered for 9.3X74R and smaller, but most are O/U, and the others are are replicas things like Pedersoli, 1873 Winchester Kodiak designed by Trail Guns armory and others of the same ilk. Many of the 5K S/S doubles are very well made and very well regulated.

Once you pass upwards of the 9.3X74R doubles 5K is a down payment!

PS: I would not want to trust most doubles that cost 5K or less to take on a lion or Buffalo in tight bush!

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16 April 2014, 11:43
Omnivorous_Bob
quote:
PS: I would not want to trust most doubles that cost 5K or less to take on a lion or Buffalo in tight bush!


Mac, so if I understand you correctly, you're trying to say my Baikal DR isn't ideal?!? Wink

Bob


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16 April 2014, 19:09
cal pappas
quote:
Originally posted by Omnivorous_Bob:
quote:
PS: I would not want to trust most doubles that cost 5K or less to take on a lion or Buffalo in tight bush!


Mac, so if I understand you correctly, you're trying to say my Baikal DR isn't ideal?!? Wink

Bob


OB:
You have a Baikal?!
Any chance for a swap for my new .475 no2 Scott?
Gun show this weekend.
Cal


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2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
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2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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16 April 2014, 20:41
MacD37
quote:
Originally posted by Omnivorous_Bob:
quote:
PS: I would not want to trust most doubles that cost 5K or less to take on a lion or Buffalo in tight bush!


Mac, so if I understand you correctly, you're trying to say my Baikal DR isn't ideal?!? Wink

Bob


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17 April 2014, 10:01
lavaca
I agree with everything Mac said. But, a 9.3 x 74 might be an ok cat gun. I'd rather use a .416, but that's just my preference. I have both.
17 April 2014, 13:57
Mike Brooks
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
OB:
You have a Baikal?!
Any chance for a swap for my new .475 no2 Scott?
Gun show this weekend.
Cal


Cal, I have a very old Stevens single shot .22 that'd I'd swap out IF you toss in a kicker to even it up. jumping


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17 April 2014, 18:15
Dutch44
Cal, I have a Blaser double in .17 HMR for an even swap. Please don't let Todd know.

Dutch
17 April 2014, 19:27
Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by Dutch44:
Cal, I have a Blaser double in .17 HMR for an even swap. Please don't let Todd know.

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17 April 2014, 22:05
MacD37
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
I agree with everything Mac said. But, a 9.3 x 74 might be an ok cat gun. I'd rather use a .416, but that's just my preference. I have both.


LAVACA, There is nothing wrong with the 9,3X74R cartridge, at least for what it was designed for. Most all of the double rifles made that are chambered for that cartridge are well made, and reliable firearms. That is because that is a very popular cartridge in Europe for hunting very large wild boar, and eastern block bear. That fact has nothing to do with it’s use on African dangerous game as the best choice.

What I was commenting on was Cal’s comment that it being impossible to build a quality double rifle for $5K. What he meant was, I think, is that a big bore to be used on dangers game can’t be built for $5K RETAIL!

On that point I totally agree with Cal, however, Many well made working double rifles ARE made for $5K or less, rifles that are very dependable, and in chamberings that are perfectly matched to even elephant, and cape buffalo. They just can’t be sold for that $5K to the final end user. When you add the profit for the maker, the shipping, and the import tax to the distributer, then his profit, shipping again to a dealer, then his profit, the final user will be lucky to get off with lass than $15K out the door!

The above is not a comment on Clark double rifles! I don't have any personal experience with this brand of rifle. My comments are on a general opinion of cheap doubles mentioned by others in this thread only.

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19 April 2014, 07:38
Omnivorous_Bob
Cal, I do indeed have a Baikal in 30-06.

I shot Snowwolfe's both in stock form and after he'd had some work done and did some load development and was amazed at the change and at the accuracy. His is a tack driver at 50 yards and I can't think of a more fun Kodiak deer rifle.

Mine seems to like 220 Hornady roundnoses at 2400 fps but I still need to get the 10+(!!!!) pound trigger fixed. After that and a few more adjustments I hope to have a DR that isn't afraid of salt spray, mud, or endless drizzle and that doesn't scare my wallet if I drop it out of the boat! Plus, it's yet another excuse to experiment with my favorite type of rifles.

Bob


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20 April 2014, 01:42
Snowwolfe
Bob,
Stan Jackson did the triggers on mine. If you get him to work on yours caution him not to go to light. With mine he had to rework them a second time to make sure they did not go off when I snapped the action shut. He also disarmed the auto safety.


My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.