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Help. VC 500 problem.
04 December 2013, 20:55
shootawayHelp. VC 500 problem.
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Have you read Graeme Wright's book on shooting the British DR?
You ammo looks like you have not crimped them.
In case you need to pull bullets, you might find this useful. It looks ugly but it works for me -
http://forums.accuratereloadin...231091491#8231091491
Once you set this die to crimp, the seater plug even at its furthest setting is enough to push the bullet past the seating grove.I need to find another die if I want to really crimp them.As far as pulling bullets,I am not a bullet pulling kind of guy.I leave that task to my rifle.
Shootaway:
If I read this correctly, the seater plug pushes to bullet too far down the case and beyond the crimp groove and you are unable to crimp the bullet. If this is so, place a washer between the die and the press. This will elevate the die a bit and your crimp groove will be available for use. Not too thick a washer or your crimp shoulder in the die will be set too high to utilize.
Cal
I dont think you know what you are talking about.The space between the crimp shoulder and the seating plug are position constant.It is this space that is too small even at the furthest seater position.Thanks anyway.
04 December 2013, 20:59
jorgeWhy you people wasting time with this microcephallic moron (It's ok to post just to insult him BTW..) is beyond me...
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04 December 2013, 21:08
McKayquote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
My Searcy double should be here in about a month.
I think I will start loading some rounds.
I will do a range report when I get it-take some pics too.
I will let you know how the barrel cleans too.This is going to be fun!
But not for Butch. My quess is he is going to want to buy this rifle back. I can't imagine you having two barrels on one gun.
Mac
04 December 2013, 21:26
Lhook7quote:
Originally posted by McKay:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
My Searcy double should be here in about a month.
I think I will start loading some rounds.
I will do a range report when I get it-take some pics too.
I will let you know how the barrel cleans too.This is going to be fun!
But not for Butch. My quess is he is going to want to buy this rifle back. I can't imagine you having two barrels on one gun.
It's not going to be fun for Butch, but he knew what he was getting into.
I personally think building him a rifle is a short sighted business decision. If he loves the rifle (not very likely)he will brag about it and degrade all other doubles, this will lead to people not wanting to buy a Searcy because they don't want the same double rifle as him. If he does not like the rifle, or cannot shoot it properly (very likely) he will lay all the blame at Butch's feet.
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04 December 2013, 22:10
McKayquote:
Originally posted by Lhook7:
quote:
Originally posted by McKay:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
My Searcy double should be here in about a month.
I think I will start loading some rounds.
I will do a range report when I get it-take some pics too.
I will let you know how the barrel cleans too.This is going to be fun!
But not for Butch. My quess is he is going to want to buy this rifle back. I can't imagine you having two barrels on one gun.
It's not going to be fun for Butch, but he knew what he was getting into.
I personally think building him a rifle is a short sighted business decision. If he loves the rifle (not very likely)he will brag about it and degrade all other doubles, this will lead to people not wanting to buy a Searcy because they don't want the same double rifle as him. If he does not like the rifle, or cannot shoot it properly (very likely) he will lay all the blame at Butch's feet.
OK well if Butch knew that's different. I have only occasionally seen butch on the forums so I figured he did not know what he was getting into.
Mac
05 December 2013, 00:28
JDA-COI'm guessing Butch can take care of himself… I'd love to watch that exchange...
05 December 2013, 01:57
505GMost people have been butt stroked by SMLE's,
M1's, Garands etc.
Shootaway just might be the first to be Butt stroked by a Double Rifle

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05 December 2013, 02:41
DoubleDonquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
Why you people wasting time with this microcephallic moron (It's ok to post just to insult him BTW..) is beyond me...
We're on the same page!

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05 December 2013, 05:34
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
Shootaway, if you will only listen, we can save you a lot of useless experimenting, not to mention money expended on unusable ammo!
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Listen to what?
505 says a rifle will not regulate with one brand of primers and Mac says that it will not regulate with + or - 1 or 2 grains the recommended load.
Cal says that he knows everything about shooting doubles but we have never seen of video demonstration of his skills.
We have no video demonstration of 505's and Macs skills either.
I give up, you are a lost cause!
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05 December 2013, 05:38
Mike Brooksquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
(It's ok to post just to insult him BTW..)
To anyone else it'd be insulting!
But for him it's a compliment!

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05 December 2013, 07:06
Dutch44Let's see, I could continue to drain my brain cells reading Shitaway's babbling nonsense or spend my day dealing with pedophiles, dope eaters, wife beaters and other assorted miscreants....hmmm....Lisa, my next appointment please.
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05 December 2013, 07:12
NakihunterIf the seater plug pushes your bullet down below the canilure, then just take the plug out. Then you should be able to crimp the round without any problem.
BTW, Mike advise about front hole & back hole - you don't need to crimp the back hole as it it is already tight. Don't flare it too much or you will get a shotgun effect & the group will be very inconsistent!
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Have you read Graeme Wright's book on shooting the British DR?
You ammo looks like you have not crimped them.
In case you need to pull bullets, you might find this useful. It looks ugly but it works for me -
http://forums.accuratereloadin...231091491#8231091491
Once you set this die to crimp, the seater plug even at its furthest setting is enough to push the bullet past the seating grove.I need to find another die if I want to really crimp them.As far as pulling bullets,I am not a bullet pulling kind of guy.I leave that task to my rifle.
Shootaway:
If I read this correctly, the seater plug pushes to bullet too far down the case and beyond the crimp groove and you are unable to crimp the bullet. If this is so, place a washer between the die and the press. This will elevate the die a bit and your crimp groove will be available for use. Not too thick a washer or your crimp shoulder in the die will be set too high to utilize.
Cal
I dont think you know what you are talking about.The space between the crimp shoulder and the seating plug are position constant.It is this space that is too small even at the furthest seater position.Thanks anyway.
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05 December 2013, 07:51
AK_Stickquote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
Shootaway, if you will only listen, we can save you a lot of useless experimenting, not to mention money expended on unusable ammo!
......................................................................
Listen to what?
505 says a rifle will not regulate with one brand of primers and Mac says that it will not regulate with + or - 1 or 2 grains the recommended load.
Cal says that he knows everything about shooting doubles but we have never seen of video demonstration of his skills.
We have no video demonstration of 505's and Macs skills either.
I give up, you are a lost cause!
....................................................................BYE
I will say though, he has a gift. 99.9% of the time, you can't get half this forum to agree on anything.
Sabatti's are good or bad, K-guns, Blasers, belted cases, calibers etc.
But the whole forum is unanimously in agreement he's a clown.
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06 December 2013, 04:17
JTEXquote:
But the whole forum is unanimously in agreement he's an ASS clown.
06 December 2013, 05:07
cal pappasThis may be the ONLY time in AR history we ALL agree on something!
Cal
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07 December 2013, 01:15
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07 December 2013, 02:29
505GWhat load did you use for them ?
Reason for asking is, what if the first one's are over pressure or the load you used on the other
rounds show pressure at this level ?
You might end up having to pull them.
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07 December 2013, 03:44
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by 505G:
What load did you use for them ?
Reason for asking is, what if the first one's are over pressure or the load you used on the other
rounds show pressure at this level ?
You might end up having to pull them.
According to a manual I found on reloading data for the 500NE and IMR 4831(570gr bullet),they are 1 grain above the minimum load.