Still yet another .223 failure.

20 December 2011, 23:50

carpetman1

I didn't go hunting today, my .223 didn't crawl out of the safe and go get me a deer. What a failure. My grandson did go and got an 8 pointer and two doe--he was using the .308 I gave him.

21 December 2011, 01:00

Kabluewy

I had the same kind of failure just last month. My failure to own a 223 caused the need for my 6.5 Grendel to salvage the occasion.

21 December 2011, 03:10

scottfromdallas

Your grandson was using a cannon!

21 December 2011, 06:29

carpetman1

Scott you are correct, the .308 is a cannon. He moved up from .243 and the .308 is doing nothing he wasn't doing with .243 or .22 centerfires before that. He only moved up because I had the .308 in a rifle I thought he would like-Win 88. I was correct he loves it.

21 December 2011, 07:33

Kabluewy

Well, no problem, he could always load the lightest 30 cal varmint bullet, at half velocity, if he feels the 308 is overkill. Or trade it in for a 223 - same difference.

21 December 2011, 09:33

carpetman1

Trade his .308 for a .223? That would be moving from one cannon to another---I also gave him a .222 and he has taken deer with it. Maybe a .204 Ruger next?

21 December 2011, 12:15

Gerard

Kabluewy,

quote:
My failure to own a 223

is what causes you to say:

quote:
he could always load the lightest 30 cal varmint bullet, at half velocity, if he feels the 308 is overkill. Or trade it in for a 223 - same difference.

With the combinations you suggest, of course a 308 will be abominably bad and no match for a properly set up 223. Get a 223, use the right components and hunt with it. Then find a reason to explain why you changed your mind. You cannot tell about a place you have not visited.

21 December 2011, 15:00

seafire/B17G

Kabluewy will never own a 223, I bet...

he has spent pages upon pages of trying to convince himself and every one else, what is wrong with them...

what he thinks he can't do with one, many of us have NO Problem doing it all the time...

21 December 2011, 19:01

carpetman1

Years ago I did shoot some of the lightest .30 cal bullets I could find--110 grain. The recoil/blast difference between them and the 150 grainers was very little. To me the odd thing was in my rifle they printed very close to the 150's.YMMV. They certainly were not what I'd want shooting a bunch of prarie dogs or jackrabbits for example. I then tried cast bullets--169 grainers and one loading was around 2400 fps and it seemed about like shooting a 30-30---still not a rig for lots of shooting. I then used Unique and the velocity was around 1600 fps and they were very pleasant to shoot--more in the range of a .222/.223. For hunting, I'd choose the .223 anyday over that combo.

21 December 2011, 20:05

Kabluewy

quote:
Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Kabluewy will never own a 223, I bet...

he has spent pages upon pages of trying to convince himself and every one else, what is wrong with them...

what he thinks he can't do with one, many of us have NO Problem doing it all the time...

Quotes from the script of Quigley Down Under:

Elliott Marston: [Marston slips his coat back to reveal his holster]

"Some men are born in the wrong century. I think I was born on the wrong continent. Oh, by the way, you're fired."

Matthew Quigley: "This ain't Dodge City. And you ain't Bill Hickok."

Matthew Quigley: [Quigley shoots Dobkin, O'Flynn and Marston before they can even aim their guns, then walks up to a dying Marston]

"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

KB

21 December 2011, 21:06

seafire/B17G

quote:
Posted 21 December 2011 8:05 AM Hide Post

quote:
Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
Kabluewy will never own a 223, I bet...

he has spent pages upon pages of trying to convince himself and every one else, what is wrong with them...

what he thinks he can't do with one, many of us have NO Problem doing it all the time...

Quotes from the script of Quigley Down Under:

Elliott Marston: [Marston slips his coat back to reveal his holster]

"Some men are born in the wrong century. I think I was born on the wrong continent. Oh, by the way, you're fired."

Matthew Quigley: "This ain't Dodge City. And you ain't Bill Hickok."

Matthew Quigley: [Quigley shoots Dobkin, O'Flynn and Marston before they can even aim their guns, then walks up to a dying Marston]

"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

so this is proof YOU are a LEGEND in your own mind...

21 December 2011, 21:41

Kabluewy

Interesting choice of word.

"A legend (Latin, legenda, "things to be read") is a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners to take place within human history and to possess certain qualities that give the tale verisimilitude. Legend, for its active and passive participants includes no happenings that are outside the realm of "possibility", defined by a highly flexible set of parameters, which may include miracles that are perceived as actually having happened, within the specific tradition of indoctrination where the legend arises, and within which it may be transformed over time, in order to keep it fresh and vital, and realistic."

That's the best explanation of the use of the 22 centerfires on big game that I've read.

21 December 2011, 21:42

carpetman1

Do we have a Tom Selleck wannabee here? Is he tired of being John Wayne?

21 December 2011, 21:47

carpetman1

Almost a legend--------- but a space is needed leg end we all know what is located at the upper end of a leg.

21 December 2011, 21:50

Kabluewy

quote:
Originally posted by carpetman1:
we all know what is located at the upper end of a leg.

A lamp, of course. I saw one in the store window just yesterday.

A light to brighten your day, and the better to read by at night.

KB

21 December 2011, 22:12

TC1

Funny, I would have thought your hero in that film would have been Quigley's ole lady.

Merry Christmas

Terry

21 December 2011, 22:21

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Your grandson was using a cannon!

spoken (typed actually) by a man with a 338 federal and a 9.3 X 62....

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22 December 2011, 01:04

Kabluewy

I found the perfect Christmas gift for carpetman, just in case he's on the ho-ho-ho list of anyone here.

Maybe it's strange, but I would like to have one of these for my cabin, wooden crate to put it on, and all.

Must be some sort of a Man Cave thing. I envision it right under the stuffed great horned owl, and the life-like great blue heron decoy.

For carpetman, of course the natural accompaniment is a stuffed big mouth bass.

22 December 2011, 03:34

scottfromdallas

quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
Originally posted by scottfromdallas:
Your grandson was using a cannon!

spoken (typed actually) by a man with a 338 federal and a 9.3 X 62....

Yeah and I just bought a 350 Remington Magnum! However, I did shoot my deer and bobcat this year with a 257 Roberts and Hornady Interlocks.

22 December 2011, 04:17

vapodog

quote:
I did shoot my deer and bobcat this year with a 257 Roberts and Hornady Interlocks.

Great choice

22 December 2011, 22:44

theback40

quote:
Yeah and I just bought a 350 Remington Magnum!

I was taught to stillhunt, read the woods and the animals by an old man who spent his whole life doing such. In my teens I couldnt go slow, and had a .350 I could slam a jumped deer or bear as it angled off through the woods. it worked great! as I got older I found the way I was taught, to catch a deer in it's bed, to outsmart a buck in his own swamp, that was what was really exciting. The .350 gave way to other rifles, but we had alot of good times together.

22 December 2011, 23:33

scottfromdallas

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
quote:
Yeah and I just bought a 350 Remington Magnum!

I was taught to stillhunt, read the woods and the animals by an old man who spent his whole life doing such. In my teens I couldnt go slow, and had a .350 I could slam a jumped deer or bear as it angled off through the woods. it worked great! as I got older I found the way I was taught, to catch a deer in it's bed, to outsmart a buck in his own swamp, that was what was really exciting. The .350 gave way to other rifles, but we had alot of good times together.

Thanks for sharing. I just couldn't resist it. The cartridge just infatuates me especially now that they make a 200 TTSX. Just seems to be the ticket for bigger critters. I generally stick to 257R or my 6.5x55 when hunting my place. When I finally go to S. Texas for a Nilgai hunt, the 350 is coming with me. Of course, I need to break it in on a night time hog hunt.

23 December 2011, 04:12

theback40

Scott, the rem I have has a long throat. I used original barnes and later speer 250 grn spitzers with the tips filed off to make a "protected point" type bullet. I could then seat them out to keep as much powder capacity as I could. 58 grns of IMR 4895 gave 2610 fps and worked on deer to moose with no problems.

23 December 2011, 07:26

bartsche

KB, you're getting some entertainment from this thread, I believe. I know I am.

roger

23 December 2011, 08:49

Kabluewy

Yes, tis true.

I think carpetman has provided more entertainment, all by himself, than all the others combined. I keep thinking the limit has been reached, then he shows me more. The guy's a natural comedian.

Or is it cameleon?

Now that the talk has gone to the 350, I'll comment that once I bought a used Ruger MKII in 350RM, as a donor action. Now I wish I had left it alone as the 350. That's an original compact magnum, and maybe the best.

KB

23 December 2011, 18:28

seafire/B17G

quote:
Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Interesting choice of word.

"A legend (Latin, legenda, "things to be read") is a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners to take place within human history and to possess certain qualities that give the tale verisimilitude. Legend, for its active and passive participants includes no happenings that are outside the realm of "possibility", defined by a highly flexible set of parameters, which may include miracles that are perceived as actually having happened, within the specific tradition of indoctrination where the legend arises, and within which it may be transformed over time, in order to keep it fresh and vital, and realistic."

That's the best explanation of the use of the 22 centerfires on big game that I've read.

KB

no question of who wears the pants in your family....