22-243 Middlestead. v.s 22-243 Win.

13 November 2001, 04:32

460wby

Hello.
Can anybody tell me the difference between these two?? I belive the Middlestead is some sort of Imp. and the Winchester has a less sharp shoulder?? Am I on to something here?
Is it easy to form brass for these two?
A lot of questions, but we like it. Don't we??

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Arild.

13 November 2001, 05:13

Saeed

460Wby,

I am not familiar with the 22-243, but have built several rifles for the 22-243 Middlstead.

Forming brass is not any more difficult any any other wildcat if you go with a standard neck.

For tight neck chambers, you need to get a neck turner cutter which is suitable for the shoulder angle you are going to have. This important so that you can avoid taking brass off the shoulder.

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13 November 2001, 07:39

ramrod340

If memory serves, the Middlestead has a 30 deg shoulder and the 22-243 has a 20 deg. The case is not "improved" like the Ackley.

15 November 2001, 12:40

ihmsakiwi

quote:
Originally posted by 460wby:
Hello.
Can anybody tell me the difference between these two?? I belive the Middlestead is some sort of Imp. and the Winchester has a less sharp shoulder?? Am I on to something here?
Is it easy to form brass for these two?
A lot of questions, but we like it. Don't we??

15 November 2001, 12:55

ihmsakiwi

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
460Wby,
I am not familiar with the 22-243, but have built several rifles for the 22-243 Middlstead.
Forming brass is not any more difficult any any other wildcat if you go with a standard neck.
For tight neck chambers, you need to get a neck turner cutter which is suitable for the shoulder angle you are going to have. This important so that you can avoid taking brass off the shoulder.

460Wby,
I shot the 22-243 for some years, in the 30 degree shoulder version. This is the middlestead version, Another version necks down the 308 parent case to give you a 20 degree shoulder with a shorter neck. Neither are difficult to form. I agree with the previous poster, that out side neck turning is absolutely neccessary.
If you can find a copy of the Seventh Edition of the Handloaders Digest ( John T Amber editor) there is a very good article in it on the 243 Middleton version. It was this article that convinced me that one was absolutely necessary.
Although I haven't had one for years, I remember my first sub .5" 100 metre 5 shot group well. Chrongraphed at 3825 fps(39 grs 4895 with the speer 52gr H.P.)Can't remember the loads now, but had a few really accurate loads doing over 4000 fps.
Remington 700 action, 28" S/S bull barrell. After lugging it afield a couple of times, I tapered the barrell, fitted a bipod, and had the best, wallaby, rabbit and magpie gun imaginable.

IHMSAKIWI

27 November 2001, 07:27

Bob Mehaffey

I don't know anything about those two but I have a 22 Cheetah I which I believe is similiar except for the 40 degree shoulder angle. I've had good luck forming the cases from Rem benchrest .308 brass with the small rifle primer pocket.

Good shooting

28 November 2001, 06:09

fats

i know this is about another wildcat but has anybody got a 22-6mm will they put the throttle down, and what kind of barrel life can you expect? thanks