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223 or 22-250?

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23 November 2006, 09:13
MaxPayne
223 or 22-250?
quote:
Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
I have ran 28 grains of W 748 or BLC 2 powder, which I maintain is the exact same powder, with 55 grain bullets in bolt actions and they do just fine...

In fact, the Speer 13 manual lists, I believe, 27 or 28 grains of W 748.... I will have to double check that....


There's the key to that 29 grs of 748 used in that rifle with the "worn" throat, that's like more freebore, the same exact thing Weatherby did to achieve his high velocity figures without excessive pressures...lots of freebore.

The AR15 was not designed to take the same pressures that bolt rifle can be reloaded too.
But even 30 grains with 55 grain bullets in bolt guns have not been any problem...

and that has been in Federal, Winchester, Remington, Lake City and WCC cases....

primer I normally use is Winchester Small rifle or Remington 7 1/2 primers...


29 grains of W 748 with a 55 grain SP Rem Bulk really tightened up the groups in a 223 barrel that was getting pretty worn at the throat...

23 November 2006, 10:13
Jarrod
223


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23 November 2006, 21:35
Nortman
Could punch the 223 out to a 223 ai. 3600fps with a 50 grain bullet.

This is what I have heard. But Im curios of what pressure the little case is under. They who use it, gets around 31 grains of powder in it.
23 November 2006, 22:21
seafire/B17G
quote:
Originally posted by Nortman:
Could punch the 223 out to a 223 ai. 3600fps with a 50 grain bullet.

This is what I have heard. But Im curios of what pressure the little case is under. They who use it, gets around 31 grains of powder in it.


I have used 31 grains of BLC2 in Lake City brass and a 40 grain Ballistic tip and 40 grain Sierra Blitzking.... it is a fast load and have not experienced pressure signs... Win Small rifle primers
23 November 2006, 22:26
buckshot
I'm a firm believer that the 22-250 is king of the 22 calibre family, and I also have a soft spot for the Swift. I favor them not for their economy, but because they are easy to manually manipulate and reload. This isn't so with the smaller 222/223 family. You'll save a few shekels on powder with the 223, but you won't save on optics, or rifles.
24 November 2006, 01:27
bartsche
quote:
Originally posted by buckshot:
I'm a firm believer that the 22-250 is king of the 22 calibre family, .


I could buy into that if you had one with a deep enough throat and fast enough twist to stabalize let say a 75 gr. bullet. BOOMroger


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24 November 2006, 02:29
buckshot
bartsche-
It would be too cool if Remington offered the 22-250 with a 1:7.7 twist, but if they did, what excuse would we have for buying a 6m/m?
25 November 2006, 03:49
tnekkcc
quote:
Originally posted by bartsche:


I could buy into that if you had one with a deep enough throat and fast enough twist to stabalize let say a 75 gr. bullet. BOOMroger


I think Seafire is building such a rifle to save the 22-250 caliber from obsolescence.



75 gr Amax 22-250, 38.5 gr 760, 3,584 fps
75 gr Amax .223, 26.9 gr H335, 3,256 fps
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difference from Quicktarget = 132 yards

50 gr. Vmax: 22-250, 39.5 gr. 748, 4,186 fps
50 gr. Vmax .223, 23.7 gr. 5744, 3861 fps
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difference from Quicktarget = 61 yards

40 gr. Vmax 22-250, 38.5 gr. H322, 4,513 fps
40 gr. Vmax .223, 25.9 gr. W296, 4, 268 fps
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difference from Quicktarget = 35 yards

33 gr. Vmax 22-250 39.6 gr. H322, 4,848 fps
33 gr. Vmax .223, 27.8 gr. W296, 4623 fps
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difference ~ ~ 25 yards