Anyone use this bullet much? I was digging around through my stash of 6mm bullets the other day and came across a partial box of these. I must have picked them up somewhere along the way off of one of the forums.

I have a 6x47 Savage rifle I built and it loves 70 grain Nosler BT and I've used it to take pronghorn. I would like a little better hunting bullet than the NBT and it has to work in a 1:12 twist barrel. What got me thinking about this bullet is that when I compared length to the NBT the Sierra was nearly the same length. I know the bullet will not be as fast as the 70 grain but that should help me hold the bullet together better.

Just looking for a bullet so my daughter can use this rifle to start hunting. I'm just thinking once I get her worked up to the .223 to where she can tolerate it I can move her on to this rifle. At the ranges I want her to shoot I just want a tougher bullet that will fit in my magazine and work well at less than 3K fps.

worked up to .223? Was that perhaps typo and you meant .243?

No she is 8 and is learning to shoot center fire rifle. She is shooting the .223 and is flinching badly, she says it kicks but I think it is the noise of the report bothering her more than anything. She shoots a .22 LR and WMR just fine but the .223 is a problem we are working on.

Plus she can't use a .223 here in Colorado when she is old enough to hunt big game. If she can't tolerate recoil I will let her use this rifle to hunt with until I can work her into somehting larger. I know the 6x47 will work in a pinch for small deer and pronghorn.

I have heard great things about the 85gr Sierra 6mm bullet. Of course most of the people talking about it are using it in a .243Win with a faster twist than the 1:12". All you can do is load up a few and give it a try.

Taylor, is this the Mossberg ATR you are working with?

I think you can buy their modular "add to" stock for your daughter. This should enable you to fit a rifle to her with out bringing out the hack saw. If the gun fits her better it should have less perceived recoil.

If you can get the 55gr bullets to shoot with a light load, the recoil wouldn't be any different then with a .223.

37gr of H4895 should push those little 55gr pills around 3k. That should be a nice light load for you daughter. 38gr of w748 should do about the same thing.

I have my daughters shooting a NEF handy rifle in .223. It's the heavy barrel version, and the extra weight virtually eliminates all the recoil. I also like the fact that it's a singleshot for teaching.

Just a few idea. I hope you find a good solution for your daughter.

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
Taylor, is this the Mossberg ATR you are working with?

I think you can buy their modular "add to" stock for your daughter. This should enable you to fit a rifle to her with out bringing out the hack saw. If the gun fits her better it should have less perceived recoil.

If you can get the 55gr bullets to shoot with a light load, the recoil wouldn't be any different then with a .223.

37gr of H4895 should push those little 55gr pills around 3k. That should be a nice light load for you daughter. 38gr of w748 should do about the same thing.

I have my daughters shooting a NEF handy rifle in .223. It's the heavy barrel version, and the extra weight virtually eliminates all the recoil. I also like the fact that it's a singleshot for teaching.

Just a few idea. I hope you find a good solution for your daughter.

Thanks for the ideas, but it is a Stevens 200 rifle that we are working with. I only let her shoot them single shot as well for now. I'm using H4895 to load reduced loads for the .223 right now and will work her into full puressure loads slowly. Right now I'm loading 40 grain bullets for her, but I've yet to get her to the range.

I've had perfect results with a 6 TCU and the 80 grn rem bullet. They usually exit on broadside shots, but I have a few recovered bullets that broke the off shoulder and stopped just under the skin.

instead of reduced loads with H 4895, try SR 4759.. more accurate, more velocity, less recoil and less Kaboom...

I shoot a lot of it in the 223, with a 15 grain charge... max is like 17.5 with ANY bullet weight..

it is bulky, and not position sensitive..

I learned it from the Cast Bullet crowd.. works pretty darn well for training kids..

in fact using it in a 243, sort of makes a 6 x 45 out of it...at these lower velocities a lot of varmint bullets perform more like regular hunting bullets..

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instead of reduced loads with H 4895, try SR 4759.. more accurate, more velocity, less recoil and less Kaboom...

Seafire,

That sounds intriging. Where can I get info on reduced loads with SR4759? I went to Hodgdon/IMR's website but didn't see any rifle data for that powder.

Doesn't look like you're getting far with that bullet's performance on game and I can't help either. Regarding the flinching from the report, I always try to use double ear protection. Muffs over 30 dB soft foam ear plugs. That makes a BIG difference and gets the muzzle blast down to a dull pop. I can still hear the line officer calling cease fire without a problem.

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Originally posted by gzig5:
Doesn't look like you're getting far with that bullet's performance on game and I can't help either. Regarding the flinching from the report, I always try to use double ear protection. Muffs over 30 dB soft foam ear plugs. That makes a BIG difference and gets the muzzle blast down to a dull pop. I can still hear the line officer calling cease fire without a problem.

I'm sure they'll work at the speeds I'll be pushing them. I'm hoping to reach 2800 fps out of my rifle. The only reason I'm not cutting this rifle down for my daughter is that I like to shoot it too much. I'm cutting down a stock on my other Stevens 200 in .223, that way if she needs to use my 6x47 I'll just swap it into her shortened stock.

I'm using them with great success in my .243. They work extremely well on coyotes, does, and smaller pigs. Have yet to recover one. Caliber since entrance would; quarter size exit wound.

LWD

I tried them in the 70s on four feral goats out of a 6mm Remington at ~3100 fps. Most came apart even in the smaller animals (and feral goats aren't very big to begin with). One exit on shots from 50 yards to over 200 yards. I gave up and went with the 90-grain Speer spitzer as recommended by O'Connor for the 6mms. Worked far better for me!



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Originally posted by TX Nimrod:
I tried them in the 70s on four feral goats out of a 6mm Remington at ~3100 fps.

I doubt I'll get anywhere close to that speed out of my rifle. Max load using BL-C(2) is 28 grains and I only have a 20" barrel. I'm just hoping to break into the low 2800's with this bullet.

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Originally posted by Wismon:

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instead of reduced loads with H 4895, try SR 4759.. more accurate, more velocity, less recoil and less Kaboom...

Seafire,

That sounds intriging. Where can I get info on reduced loads with SR4759? I went to Hodgdon/IMR's website but didn't see any rifle data for that powder.

I use the OLD IMR Brown Sheet, or they are listed in Cast Bullet Manuals by Lyman...

Seafire,

Thanks. And it turns out I have that old IMR brown sheet. How fortunate...

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Originally posted by gzig5:
Regarding the flinching from the report, I always try to use double ear protection. Muffs over 30 dB soft foam ear plugs.

I went to the range on Monday and it was just too windy to do any work with the rifles from the 100 yard bench. So I took my wife to the 15 yard line to try out her new Sig Sauer Mosquito I got her. Anyway to make long story short the muzzle blast from that scared my daughter, who was shooting her Cricket .22lr next to my wife. So I doubled up the hearing protection for her like you suggested.

A few magazines later my daughter asked if she could shoot the pistol. I gave her some quick instructions on how to safely handle it and let her shoot five rounds to get a feel for it. She really liked the pistol, so I loaded up a full magazine and she went 10 for 10 on an 8" target at 15 yards. Unfortunately she wants her own Sig now! She does make me proud though when she enjoys shooting and does well, so I’ll probably pick up another one in a few months so she can shoot alongside her mom. We are thinking of getting her involved next year in the Junior shooting program over at the Olympic Training Center.

Not to hijack the thread but I have a Sig Mosquito and it is an excellent 22 pistol.

Now, about that brown sheet. Does anyone have the ability to scan it and email me a copy of the page and loads being discussed?

I had a Mauser '98 built as a stalking rifle in 6mm250 and used the 85 Sierra SptBt for all sizes of pigs and goats with great success. It probably had similar ballistics to a 6x47.

The 70 BT was better for rabbit and fox.

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Originally posted by Code4:
I had a Mauser '98 built as a stalking rifle in 6mm250 and used the 85 Sierra SptBt for all sizes of pigs and goats with great success. It probably had similar ballistics to a 6x47.

The 70 BT was better for rabbit and fox.

My 6X47 is based off of the .222 Rem Mag. I'm sure your 6mm-250 will out perform my cartridge. The 70 grain does work well on coyotes and jack rabbits around here.

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Originally posted by Cliff Lyle:
Now, about that brown sheet. Does anyone have the ability to scan it and email me a copy of the page and loads being discussed?

Cliff, what I have is actually their brown booklet that they used to give away in stores. My scanner doesn't work at the moment so if someone doesn't chime in within a few days send me a pm and I might be able to figure something out.

on game the Sierra 85 HP will be more lethal than their 85 grain SP...

I didn't see where anyone mentioned that...

ANY 75 grain HP from the majors is also lethal at 223 size cases cartridges or in a 243 or other 6mm's.. whether you rocket the MV or keep it sedate...

myself, I have a foundness for Hornady 75 grain HP... left over from the days they use to be 10 cents a bullet, or $10 a box of 100..

Loaded up the 85 grain GK's and my rifle didn't like them with BL-C(2). Looks like I'll have to try them with a different powder. However BL-C(2) provided me with several sub MOA groups with 55 and 60 grain bullets.

I picked up about 3 lbs of the new Alliant AR Comp powder...

its burn rate is just a hair slower than RL 15, which is an accurate powder, and AR Comp is supposed to be RL 15 formula, with a temp insensitive coating on it...

but it is much more accurate in my rifles, than RL 15, which is no slouch on its own... it would be the first one I'd reach for in a 6 x 45 or x 47 or 243 with the 85 grain bullet weights..

I have not used the Game King but have been impressed with the 75gr AMAX