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05 November 2003, 03:58
tcencore260
.257 Hot Tamale
in this month's Buckmasters magazine, there is an article about hunting with this 7 STW-based wildcat.

It is billed as pushing a 100 grain bullet at 4100 fps out of a 26" tube.

Made by J.Ferguson, article by Russell Thornberry. in 2001, Thornberry also had an article about another of Ferguson's rifles that had a 7 STW pushing a 140 gr bullet at 3600 fps.

One has to wonder what barrel life is in these . . .

Troy
05 November 2003, 04:02
TC1
I hope he wears safety glasses when he shoots it! [Eek!] [Roll Eyes]
05 November 2003, 04:08
dan belisle
That's pretty speedy for a 7 STW in a 26" barrel. I'd be a might curious to see what the loads were. - Dan
05 November 2003, 04:14
<eldeguello>
3600 with a 140 grain would be enough of an improvement over the 7mm Rem. Mag. to justify a rechambering job. Perhaps. The "regular" loads for 7 STW don't appear to me to justify the shorter barrel life and increased powder usage! [Big Grin]
05 November 2003, 04:29
tcencore260
I couldn't dredge up a link to the "257 Hot Tamale" article, but here's the one on the 7 STW from last year.

Ferguson's 7 STW

If he's really not exceeding safe pressures, I wonder what he may be doing to the chamber to get these results?

Troy
05 November 2003, 04:35
jeffeosso
3..

mebbe 9...

LMAO
jeffe
05 November 2003, 06:12
Lee Martin
I'm not saying that this .257 didn't reach 4,100 with a 100 grain bullet.....just that the .257 STW with a 26" barrel only does around 3,800 fps with AA8700, H870, and/or RL 25. I'd be interested to know if he's using surplus powder and how much he improved the case.

Lee Martin
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05 November 2003, 10:01
dan belisle
Must be that IMR 7282 powder, I guess. - Dan
05 November 2003, 19:38
dantec
problem with canon powder in small bore is carbon fouling and graphite fouling ( ball powder have a lot grapghite ) and after few shots you loos all accuracy
If the good 6.5/300 Wea is the very max in 6.5 bore water capacity 257 cal on same case ( STW is close to 300 wea water capacity) make a eal overbore cartridge )

get velocity is one point , keep velocity is another one and you need Hight BC bullet , a 107/108 gr ( lapua or Sierra ) in 6.5 cal can perhaps reach the 4000 fps in a long barrel ( 30 or 32 )launch with a 6.5/300 Wea

big magnum reach velocity in long barrel and if 7 STW in a 26 is just good in a 30 inch that real winner

good shooting

DAN TEC
05 November 2003, 23:29
Lefty Lucas
BuckMasters has a new mag. out called GunHunter Magazine this article about the .257 STW is in the premier issue. type in search GunHunter Magazine and you can go to the website and read the article about the .257 STW. The article does not tell load data but it does say that the 100gr. bullets were all copper J-36 bullets (Lost River Ballistic Technologies Inc.) bullet coefficient .532.(very high priced bullets) Not a varmint rig but would be one hell of a long range big game gun.
06 November 2003, 00:13
dantec
LRB bullet even if they publish amazing BC with very hight price they are very poor in accuracy and foul a lot with that they are very hard for barrel life

best is to use drive band bullet as Barnes , Grooves bullet , or GS custom bullet

most hyper velocity caliber must use a slower pitch to don t over stabilized the bullets and make burst by centrifugal forces and keep unbalnceforces low to dont destroy accuracy

exemple in 6.5 cal same bullet can be stabilized at low velocity with a 1 in 8 and at magnum velocity with a 1 in 10 .

good shooting

DAN TEC
06 November 2003, 03:50
W. Wilson
If memory serves correctly (I'm at work), there are several loads for the 7 STW in the Barnes manual that reach in the high 3500's with a 140 grainer from a 26" barrel, and from what I've chrono'd, probably ain't too far from the mark-a guess since I haven't loaded into the upper ranges yet. I am, however, getting over 3400 with a load that still smokes the necks pretty good with 7828.

[ 11-05-2003, 19:12: Message edited by: W. Wilson ]
06 November 2003, 14:58
tcencore260
"Hot Tamale" article
16 November 2003, 16:31
BigIron
With no disrespect intended to Mr. Ferguson or Thornberry, the father of the 7STW has already loaded/chrono'd/hunted with/written about the 7STW necked to 6.5 and to .257.

Both cartridges killed game. The 6.5 version took a very nice black bear (with a 140 Partition, as I recall).

Any of these 3 cartridges can use more barrel than most are willing to tolerate.

[ 11-16-2003, 07:32: Message edited by: BigIron ]
16 November 2003, 22:09
wallyw
quote:
Originally posted by tcencore260:
If he's really not exceeding safe pressures, I wonder what he may be doing to the chamber to get these results?

Troy

You'd need about 86 grains of 7828 to get a 140gr NBT going 3600 fps. Around 86,500 PSI load.