I have fired about a thousand rds(Sierra and Hornady BTHP's) through my LW 308win Palma barrel and have not yet seen a trace of copper in the bore.If someone were to tell me this before I had this barrel I would think they were crazy or just bullshitting.The barrel is still shooting well after getting it very hot a few times.

Are you using a CFE type of powder ?

I am using mostly IMR 4064 and some Vit 140.I have never had a barrel that did not copper foul.This is the first one.

Looks like you lucked out.

Dave

Lothar Walther!

You dont say: Wesson & Smith, do you?

http://www.lothar-walther.de/3.php

LW certainly makes excellent barrels, I've had one myself.
But I find it hard to believe that they shouldn't foul.
How do you determine your 'non-fouling'?

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Originally posted by Fuchs:
LW certainly makes excellent barrels, I've had one myself.
But I find it hard to believe that they shouldn't foul.
How do you determine your 'non-fouling'?

I did not say that they didn't foul.I said that my barrel did not show any copper fouling.There is no visible copper in the bore and the wipe-out(and Break-Free) foam cleaner I apply never shows the slightest blue coloration or any trace of blue.

I have found that even without copper fouling accuracy can take a dive.I think carbon fouling can clog up the rifling and quickly drop the POI.A good scrubbing with JB will restores things and raises POI.

Foul or not my 8x64s with a L/W shoots great anytime.

tasso

I saw some copper fouling this morning.I will soon get my new Krieger barrelled rifle back from the smith and in a while should have a fresh idea of how they both compare(Krieger vs LW).

I had a lengthy and enlightening discussion with my Smith yesterday on barrel steel.He is very knowledgeable in this area having worked for many years in the steel/machining industry.
I will no longer buy a stainless barrel.Alot of misinformation put out there by some of the barrel maker industry on barrels in general.

Without verification with a bore scope its all speculation.

The foam bore cleaner that you praise is confirmation....marketing B.S.

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Originally posted by Dans40XC:
Without verification with a bore scope its all speculation.

The foam bore cleaner that you praise is confirmation....marketing B.S.

Yes I agree.