224 BOZ!!

24 July 2003, 16:11

Magnum Mike

224 BOZ!!

Anyone had any experience with this round?? Leibowitz mentioned that he might be interested in this round in an Encore....

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24 July 2003, 18:32

LoneEagle

Never used it. I used to have a Guns & Ammo with it on the cover (may still have) they called it the .224 Boz but same critter. All I know is that it was developed in England, it is a 10MM Auto case necked down and it was scorching out of a 5 or 6" (don't recall which) 1911 barrel. Sean

25 July 2003, 00:55

T/C nimrod

Mike - did you recently purchase "Calibers of the World" or what? First it was the Cooper, now the Boz. What's going to happen when you get to the chapter with 6mm's in?

25 July 2003, 01:03

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by T/C nimrod:
Mike - did you recently purchase "Calibers of the World" or what? First it was the Cooper, now the Boz. What's going to happen when you get to the chapter with 6mm's in?

LOL! Nope, i just received the pic above and am curious if anyone has worked with it. I already have one 22 caliber project going, aint lookin for another! [Big Grin]

25 July 2003, 02:01

Hobie

I think it is interesting that commercial efforts to develop light recoiling, high-velocity, small caliber, personal defense weapon cartridges (and companion weapons systems) have attracted the attention of those of us interested in alternatives to the .22 Hornet/.218 Bee class cartridge. [Wink]

It is way cool as are the various platforms but in a single shot like the Contender/G2/Encore? I prefer a rimmed case for ease in handling. Still... it is cool... [Big Grin]

25 July 2003, 12:05

cas

I believe it's much about nothing... all marketing hype. The makers claim(ed) it was just about the greatest round going, yet they won't sell it to anyone save for military and PD. No dies or reamers either... I'm sot of surprised you have a drawing! (at least that's what it was like a few years back. Maybe 5-10 years of nobody caring has softend the up a little.)

If your talking about using it in a T/C or something, it might be interesting, but I doubt it would be worth all the problems.

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25 July 2003, 16:04

<Headstamp>

Mike, You might try the 22 Himler or 223 Kaiser/Wilhelm. Much more power.

My favorite is the 22/50BMG. Takes twenty minutes for the powder to burn out the end of the barrel.

[Big Grin]

26 July 2003, 02:31

sloth

I'm not sure what the purpose of this caliber would be in a T/C pistol. The intent, from what I read, was to give LEO's a cartridge that would penetrated kevlar and function froma magazine fed side arm. Performance, from what I recall, was pretty pathetic. On paper it looked good, but in practice, it had similar performance to a 22 mag. Due to low velocities there was no observed fragmentation that makes the 5.56 NATO so impressive.

If you want do a couple of searhces over on ar15.com. It been discussed over there quite a bit. Just with the round being restricted to LEO's your just asking for a lot of headaches for what your going to get. IMHO

26 July 2003, 12:11

Hobie

I'd have thought that L'ilGun would be a good powder for this round... Also, weren't they firing this out of something like the P90? (Not sure that CRS hasn't touched me on this)

IAC, it would be just as much fun as the .30 Tokarev with sabots but the cost makes such a thing, well, out of my league.

However, for the true addict, it is interesting none the less.

26 July 2003, 13:18

DanD

CDS, the developer of the round, built their firearm with a modified Glock 20. Here is some info and a pic.
The problem is, it's in the same list as the 5.7FN and Five-Seven Pistol and so commercial firearms can not be chamber for it. Which I never understood, considering it's bullet design that makes it armor piercing.
That of course doesn't stop anyone from drawing up their own reamer and barreling a Encore.

27 July 2003, 08:27

cas

I thought the problem with the 5.7FN was that they couldn't import ammo. Domestic ammo would be fine, but there isn't any.

28 July 2003, 12:54

Vibe

quote:
Originally posted by DanD:
The problem is, it's in the same list as the 5.7FN and Five-Seven Pistol and so commercial firearms can not be chamber for it. Which I never understood, considering it's bullet design that makes it armor piercing.
That of course doesn't stop anyone from drawing up their own reamer and barreling a Encore.

The same was/is true for the 5.45x18Russian and the PSM pistol that fires it. Neiter of which made sense...it's just a modified 25ACP after all.

28 July 2003, 16:56

DanD

From FN's Website:

quote:
BATF regulations: All components of this system are tightly regulated by BATF. The P90 (NFA, Class III weapon) can only be sold and registered to a law enforcement agency. The Five-seveN pistol is slightly different. The first sale, which requires the pistol to be legally imported into the US, requires the same procedure as the P90. A BATF Form 6 is needed which the chief or the second in command must sign. The pistol can then be removed from the Custom Bonded Warehouse and shipped to the agency. The ammunition is controlled in much the same manner, an approved BATF Form 6 is required then the ammunition can be shipped direct to the agency.

So you can't get either ammo or the guns. I always liked the design of the 5-7 pistol, just think, a semiautomatic varmint pistol, and a list price of $585.
So I guess one could surmise the 224 BOZ would be in the same boat.

28 July 2003, 17:20

cas

I think the Boz was by choice. They never actually made any guns, just converted other companies. Nothing more than barrels and springs I believe. I'd read a good deal on it in the past few years, as there was always one guy on the forums shouting it's praises. Hard to do for a gun you've never even seen. They claimed it was just a wonder at most everything.

As far as the Boz goes I think it was a marketing idea. It's just a neck down 10mm right?

The reason I said what I did about the FN was that'd I'd read somewhere recent that ammo was a problem. They had one somewhere (where ever I was reading it) a rep sample or something, but the ammo was hard to come by because of importation problems and regulations. Even the FN people had guns and little ammo.

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