20 March 2003, 10:59
V.V. JeffFirearms Blueprints
Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you knew a place to get gun blueprints online. There are certain firearms I've always wanted the blueprints for. It makes it easy if I need to build a replacement part. I know the patents have run out them and they should be public domain by this time. However, finding them is another story.
Any help would be great, thanks.
20 March 2003, 12:28
Paul HJeff,
I know I've seen a link posted in the past, you might want to do a search on the gunsmith forum. Don't recall if they were actual blueprints or just exploded assembly drawings.
20 March 2003, 12:32
mbmcoJeff,
For exploded views like Paul states you can search the Patent Database online and do the search on the inventor's name. Then search the list, and if you find the right one click on the images and the entire Patent will be displayed. All the contact information is listed for the inventor also, even if it may not be current. May get you closer to what you wish.
FWIW,
20 March 2003, 14:02
bgoodHey Jeff,(Don't ask me why I file this sort of info away
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! Just being a GUNNUT I suppose!) Ricciadelli (another G.N.) has exploded diagrams here!http://stevespages.com/page7a.htm
Not really blueprints I guess, but interesting anyway! HTH
Bill
[ 03-20-2003, 05:11: Message edited by: bgood ]20 March 2003, 18:21
1bubaJust for grins, some more exploded diagrams...
http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/exploded.htm steve
20 March 2003, 19:02
V.V. JeffThanks guys. I checked out those links.
I'm more looking for acutal blueprints along the lines of what a machinist would use to build the reciever. It seems those are very hard to come by. I've been searching around for a few hours and I've found a few, but not the selection I was hoping for.
I'm constantly spending time reverse engineering what someone else did. It would be a great time saver if I already had the prints for a reciever I was working on.
21 March 2003, 02:27
small fishI have a Stoeger catalog from 1950. In the back of the catalog,it shows "blownup" parts lists for many guns. Over 100 pages of just gun detail blowups! I still use it for my 870 and Marlin 39A and 336 SC. It has many rifles,shotguns.and handgun blowups.There are alot of guns that are still in production listed there.
Luger,Walther,Mauser,High Standard,Ortgies,Stevens,Marlin,L.C.Smith,Fulton,Fox,Savage,Mossberg,Remington,Winchester,Colt,Smith and Wesson,Iver Johnson,Ithaca,Western Arms,Harrington and Richardson,but no T/C.
Worst thing is that EVERY part on every gun has a part#,order#,and a PRICE! A complete Belgian Browning A-5 reciever is $25.The brand new A-5 shotgun is
$108. A Full Bull 28" 30-06 0r 300 H&H mag. bbl for a Win Model 70 is $46!That's a 1950's vintage.The gun,$194.85. A standard M-70 is $109. The catalog is 545 pages.
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I know these aren't "blueprints" per se,but they sure are fun to look at.
[ 03-20-2003, 17:33: Message edited by: small fish ]21 March 2003, 03:05
<JBelk>VV Jeff--
The manufacturing prints is what you're talking about....I've seen some under subpoena and it's a considerably more complicated arrangement than what you would imagine.
Some companies have several HUNDRED prints for one small assembly.
Reverse engineering is the only way to get what you want........besides, nearly every part is done on production equipment that doesn't equate to anything you already have in the shop anyhow.
A large percentage of parts are outside vendor supplied "blanks" that are then finished by broaching, milling, turning, drilling, reaming, tapping, heat-treating, finishing, etc. There are prints for each step.
27 March 2003, 06:09
Wildcat CrazyJeff,
It is almost impossible to obtain copies of
manufacturing blueprints as quite a lot of them are copyrighted and copyrights can be renewed .
No matter how long the patent has been expired, the prints still belong to the manufacturer.
WC