What if?

01 August 2003, 07:45

T/C nimrod

What if?

i want to load for a single shot handgun, but can only find loads published that have been used in revolvers with shorter barrels - can I use this info. safely?

01 August 2003, 07:48

Bill M

T/C,

Pressure limits are set on the cartridge, not the type of gun or barrel length. So if it is data for a particular cartridge, you should be OK. Always start low and work up, though....

Bill

01 August 2003, 08:18

KYODE

surely! the single shot handguns are stronger than some revolvers. some data is listed as "for ruger or thompson center only" [Big Grin]

01 August 2003, 09:08

T/C nimrod

The reason I'm bring this up, is The 22.7 grns. of H110 behind a 210 grn. Hornady HP/XTP is a pretty stiff load in a Contender (1850+ fps). I ran the ramp straight out of Hornady's manual, but it's listed loads are for a S&W (If I remember correctly).

01 August 2003, 12:37

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by T/C nimrod:
The reason I'm bring this up, is The 22.7 grns. of H110 behind a 210 grn. Hornady HP/XTP is a pretty stiff load in a Contender (1850+ fps). I ran the ramp straight out of Hornady's manual, but it's listed loads are for a S&W (If I remember correctly).

WOW! I never seen that data before! You have a scanner? Could ya send it to me? [Wink]

01 August 2003, 14:47

T/C nimrod

MSSmagnum - I don't have access to a scanner, but I will copy it and send it to ya. PM me an address. If you have the fifth edition of Hornady manual, look on page 708, 2nd load from the bottom. H110 from 19.5 grains to 22.7 grains.

Now a word of warning to everyone: You should not go to the max load with a closed breech gun using this data.

After talking to two(2) custom barrel makers about my situation, both explained to me how pressure is built in a revolver vs. a closed breech gun such as the Contender.

01 August 2003, 17:40

KTS1

Being a paper puncher I have never reached a max load with my Contender rounds I have always stopped at accurate, I have heard some say thier guns would only shoot with max loads.
Guess I'm just lucky [Big Grin]

Wes

01 August 2003, 22:03

Rich Jake

Magnum
Check your email. [Smile]

Rich Jake

02 August 2003, 00:35

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Rich Jake:
Magnum
Check your email.
Rich Jake

Thanks RJ!

02 August 2003, 11:33

Lone Hunter

In the same manual it list a max load for a 44 Mag Blackhawk of 24.8 gr. of H 110 with a 240 gr. bullet. Then it gives Max loads for the Contender of 25.9 gr. of H 110 with a 240 gr. bullet.
Why would it be OK to load a 44 Mag Contender to higher pressures than a revolver but not a 41 Mag Contender?

02 August 2003, 14:55

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Lone Hunter:
......gives Max loads for the Contender of 25.9 gr. of H 110 with a 240 gr. bullet.

I have loaded H110 to 25.8 with Nosler 240's in my 10" contender barrel. It was a safe load, very accurate but WOW the recoil, LOL! [Big Grin]

02 August 2003, 15:20

Lone Hunter

YES, You tend to notice when it goes BANG. I cronyed it last weekend. 25.9 gr. H110, 240 gr.bullet=1641fps out of a 10" barreled Contender.

02 August 2003, 16:24

Magnum Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Lone Hunter:
YES, You tend to notice when it goes BANG. I cronyed it last weekend. 25.9 gr. H110, 240 gr.bullet=1641fps out of a 10" barreled Contender.

I worked with this load several years ago. It is nuttin compared to the 444 in a 14" barrel! [Big Grin]

That same bullets is runnin 2100 fps now! [Wink]

03 August 2003, 16:09

T/C nimrod

quote:
In the same manual it list a max load for a 44 Mag Blackhawk of 24.8 gr. of H 110 with a 240 gr. bullet. Then it gives Max loads for the Contender of 25.9 gr. of H 110 with a 240 gr. bullet.
Why would it be OK to load a 44 Mag Contender to higher pressures than a revolver but not a 41 Mag Contender?

That's a very good question! It lead me to another - Why is that the only straight wall cartridge that has it's own load data for a T/C? The .41 mag, nor the .357 does. I'm thinking maybe that particular caliber is an exception to the rule, that you can exceed revolver data - with that one given cartridge.

I'm taking a guess, just seems odd that the 44 mag lists two data entries for more than one gun.

Wait a minute... Check out the .357 Remington Maximum entries, one for a Super Blackhawk and one for a 10" T/C Contender. Pay particular attention to the 180 grain Bullet data - this is getting good!!(The Lil'Gun specifically)

What about the .45 Long Colt, 250 grain bullets. One data entry lists slow burning powders, the other all fast burners. (I picked the 250's to keep the comparisons the same)

[ 08-03-2003, 07:23: Message edited by: T/C nimrod ]

03 August 2003, 16:25

T/C nimrod

quote:
Why is that the only straight wall cartridge that has it's own load data for a T/C? The .41 mag, nor the .357 does. I'm thinking maybe that particular caliber is an exception to the rule, that you can exceed revolver data - with that one given cartridge.

I'm taking a guess, just seems odd that the 44 mag lists two data entries for more than one gun.

This obviously doesn't apply, at least not after I did some paging and editing!

07 August 2003, 15:45

T/C nimrod

BTT - someone help me(us) out here. Why is this with the above mentioned calibers? I'm looking for an education, not a S.W.A.G., please. [Roll Eyes]