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Of course it is, its just good genetics  ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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That Frankenstein wouldn't survive 5 minutes if it wasn't inside a deer fence. The head is so outlandishly foreign against the size and dimensions of wilderness stags it defies belief. The hunter hasn't taken a stag, he shot a tree. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Its a total con those heads. I was talking to one of the guides the other day, and they measure them all before they let them go to be shot. He carries a list of each stag and its SCI score in his bino case for reference on the shoot. I do not know why American hunters wish to shoot such a thing. Its an abomination and distortion of a fantastically proud animal. | |||
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That is true, without the right genes and feeding Deer won’t grow heads like this. Free range no. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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I have no problem with people shooting these deer- as long as they are fully aware that it is a farm-bred animal and not remotely a wild deer. But the outfitters arent good at telling that to their clients.... ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Looks plain ugly to me. ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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It doesn't look like one would need a fence to keep it contained. It must have walked along with its nose near the ground. ~Ann  | |||
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I, for one, am just learning all this. | |||
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An SCI SPECIAL!  | |||
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Saeed, I support SCI and while I don't agree at times with your SCI bashing I think in this matter you are not too far off the mark. Nor do I disagree with a quest for a good trophy taken on an honest hunt as I have done myself, often unsuccessfully. To me it's sad that the stag depicted here usually represents a situation of someone seeking prestige, self glorification and attainment of records or awards while the actual virtues of hunting get shoved aside. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Tell the guide what score you want, walk out in the pasture, he points out your stag, shoot him. Wow, what a hunt….  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I was sure it had to be a farm bred freak…was not sure that went on in NZ. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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My point is SCI does NOT check the authenticity of a trophy. They employ measurers, who can also be professional hunters, who can also be crooks. Jason Stone is very good at this. Check his court case with Murray! Stone has an incredible number of SCI top trophies. I am almost certain most were obtained illegally. It makes your hunt, and other honest hunters, seem pointless. Most of the big SCI trophies belong to rich clients. Lots of them have absolutely no thoughts about breaking laws. All that matters to them is to get their names in some stupid, sick Circle! | |||
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Yep largely I agree with those sentiments Saeed. I do realise though that while many dont care, there are also many hunters who just dont realise fully what they are participating in. | |||
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Of course it goes on in NZ, it goes on in any place in the world where stupid Americans and Europeans are prepared to spend what it takes to self glorify themselves by having the biggest and the best and they usually have enough fuckwit friends to fawn all over them as hero hunters too. Then to cap it off they also bring that fucking obnoxious practice of tipping into the industry too. IMO breeding stags with heads like that borders on animal cruelty, it is just plain dumb and caters for idiots who are as dumb too. | |||
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I don’t find that very attractive. That being said, if you want to spend enough money to be “important” it’s always been done. I couldn’t care less what that record is. As long as it’s not listed as a free range/wild animal, it’s no skin off my behind. For those against this, is it any different than archery or muzzleloader records being separate types of records? I can say you won’t find that type of head on my wall… it just looks unnatural. | |||
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I don't think this describes the average American hunter. Nor the average European hunter either. The average guys I've met are decent, ordinary, enjoy their hunting with family and friends, not that interested in special recognition for hunting achievement, share our distress over anti-hunting and political anti-gun actions. These guys tend to blend in and are not that noticeable. Quite a different animal to some who like to splash the cash to be noticed. And some in our outfitting industry want the business of these big spenders. Hence the supply of these stags that grow trees on their heads instead of antlers. I can't approve of this aspect of our hunting industry. It embarrasses me but it's not illegal so I don't say it's wrong. It is what it is I guess. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Of course my comments were not directed at the average American or European hunter, just those that perpetrate the demand that leads to the breeding of abnormal animals to satisfy the greed and glorification of a small section of 'shooters' who think they need to promote their manhood by taking these fenced animals and displaying for all to see. Unfortunately the average American hunter does continue the obnoxious practice of tipping despite many saying they do not like it themselves however this is a subject that has been thoroughly thrashed out on AR with those on both sides of the argument never likely to change their stance. I just wish the abhorrent practice was never brought to our country. | |||
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I am afraid I don't agree with you on this one. Take the stupid idiots who go hunting with that most famous of all idiots, Mark Sullivan. Year after year, some go "hunting" with him so he kills their buffalo. I have said it before, and I will repeat it again. It is like having a wedding in a whorehouse!  | |||
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why even go there to shoot it. seems easier to just order it from the catalogue and have the taxidermist drop ship it to your house. but then again I feel the same about all pay to shoot 'guided hunts'. | |||
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Yep I understand. ignorance is not a good excuse. I just see how much marketing and BS is put into convincing the world that these animals are legitimate and have some sympathy for the guy who's always wanted to hunt NZ and gets convinced this is the only way to do it. It was a clever bait and switch the guiding industry did to take us from the worlds premier wild free range red stag hunting, too the worlds premier behind wire monster head shoot. It crept up on us all as at first it was a small thing, and then suddenly if you didnt offer those heads, you were out of business. So to speak. | |||
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I have no problems with anyone hunting anything they wish. But call it what it is. I have hunted on farms in South Africa, I knew what I was doing, and the people I was hunting with made no bones about it. It is when crooks start selling, and self obsessed idiots go to them so they can have their names in a silly record book. | |||
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. Looks like two massive pieces of driftwood if you ask me. My other thought was how many Christmas balls could you hang on it ? Nope, not for me thanks. . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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As with human features and mammaries, true beauty is perfect averageness and that head misses by a mile, wherever it comes from. I like the Douglas score for evaluating trophies because it takes conformation and balance into account. | |||
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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. These canned trophies might look good, but the idea behind getting them is just plain sick. I have absolutely no argument for anyone wishing to have a particular trophy to hand on his walls. But I do when he has to enter it into a record book. There are hunters who do actually hunt. And sometimes they do get lucky, and get an exemptional trophy, which they can enter into a book. Nothing wrong with that. But to actually go on a pretend hunt for the sole purpose of obtaining a particular trophy to compete with others is nothing short of repugnant! | |||
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A few years back I saw photos posted somewhere of a very similar head taken on a game farm here in NZ by a European hunter. These sort of heads are not representative of a natural/normal red deer stag. I have no beef with visiting hunters taking animals on game farms. Most of these farms or stations are huge and while ultimately fenced, they do cover some hard stalking country. Public land outside/bordering these privately owned stations contain wild animals which are free entry and hunting for anyone having a firearms licence and carrying a Department of Conservation (DOC) permit which can be obtained online, free and for the whole of NZ if you wish. Obviously it is just not feasible for visiting hunters with a week or two timeframe and lack of knowledge of hunting areas, to go it alone as our 'local' hunters can and do. As local hunters know there is no guarantee if animals, especially the trophy animals, will be in certain areas at the time or that the weather will be suitable for hunting some of the natural habitat areas. The game farms have all weather vehicle access to a lot of their area but also can use helicopters to get hunters into the hunt areas during breaks in inclement weather. So a visiting hunter can be guaranteed to have a good hunt and come away with some good trophies in the timeframe he has allowed. I am not a trophy hunter myself so don't care for head scores or record books. I accept that game farm/station hunting provides a service to those that cannot free hunt. I do object to these totally unnatural heads being bred for the starry eyed 'shooter' just wanting something in the record book that is bigger and better than some else's. The photo that triggered this discussion seems to be making a big play on the fact that the f...ugly head was taken with a muzzleloader. Whoopsie do, the poor animal could probably hardly walk and likely could have been taken with a 22RF. Anyway I'm never likely to come across these sort of people and agree with 30.06king, it is an embarrassment to see this happening in our country. | |||
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These big Stags are bred for Velvet and in some cases are grown out to hard antler in the last year before their heads start to decline.  "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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+1 Reminds me of those whitetail freak deer shot on a certain property in Michigan.  | |||
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NZ is one of the worst places for this carry on. These absurd stags all get trucked around from the deer farms to the "game parks" in March. They are tame, and can be hand fed. They have names for Christ's sake. The guides have pictures of the stags on the smoko room fridge door so they can remember which ones are "gold medal" or silver branze etc, so that they don't shoot the wrong one.* This is not always done with the hunter's knowledge, not all heads are outlandish as the one shown above, they are merely improbable  - the guides pretend that it is impossible to shoot red deer in New Zealand because of the helicopter meat hunting, and that the only option is one of their properties. They literally try and pretend it is fair chase, they do this by walking the hunters over the hills for four days, and then taking him to where the creature was the whole time and then shooting it. There is much backslapping. Tips are expected. It is a totally dishonest business, and I do not blame the hunters, they are most often hoodwinked. There is no man more dishonest than a New Zealand hunting guide. When they die you have to screw them into the ground. (*I was friendly with a guy who was a guide for one of these places, a fairly well known one.) | |||
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