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NZ getting tired of tourists - WSJ
23 May 2018, 20:10
AnotherAZWriterNZ getting tired of tourists - WSJ
Interesting story in the WSJ journal today about NZ getting tired of all the "Lord of the Rings" tourists. Seems they are trashing the place.
The issue is not tourists per se - its the Freedom Camper tourists who arrive , buy an old van and throw a mattress in it , then set off to travel the country.
They congregate in the evenings where ever they may be , and - not having self contained toilets like real camper vans or RVs - either use the community bathrooms or simply go and shit in the woods like a bear.
Now , the nature reserves and gardens around the places these folk congregate is one big cesspool of toilet paper and shit - and reasonably enough the locals have had enough.
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23 May 2018, 23:34
gryphon1Time for shit police issuing shit taxes then.
Same mob camp on the foreshores in Qld and wake to a beach sunrise for free!
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24 May 2018, 03:33
sambarman338Yeah, we happened on a reserve south of Cairns that was full of hippies' campervans.
A worker cleaning the toilets there said despite the no-camping signs, the council couldn't move anyone on until they had been there two or three days.
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24 May 2018, 21:29
AnotherAZWriterYea, the story did talk about the camper vans quite a bit.
25 May 2018, 01:08
shanksponyWe have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
25 May 2018, 02:50
Scott PowellDo those slobs actually spend any money when they are there? Look like lots of freeloading bums...
Wonder if these DOC reserves and carparks cost more that the revenue they generate???
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25 May 2018, 18:51
Grizzly Adamsquote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
We have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
I always figure a country has sunk as low as it can go, when it's livelihood depends on selling it's scenery.
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Unfortunately we dont have a lot more than pretty scenery to offer the world - that and lots of exported dairy produce
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28 May 2018, 12:50
gryphon1BULLSHIT Muzza...stop down selling your country.
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28 May 2018, 20:09
butchlocquote:
stop down selling your country.
yup - we found a hellovalot of things in NZ besides views to enjoy - including some of the most real people in the world
we dont have mineral resources , or huge manufacturing capability , or many of the things other countries have . But we do have scenery and animals that live in the scenery.
But ultimately it is the scenery that tourists come here for, not a case of down selling my country at all - its being a realist.
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29 May 2018, 10:38
sambarman338quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
We have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
Your father should be commended for his wisdom and charity.
So what year did you add those facilities and where did you put them?
01 June 2018, 00:43
shanksponyThink you might have read that wrong Paul, we found an inventive way to get DOC to instal a toilet on their property to fix the issue they were creating...
01 June 2018, 01:37
AnotherAZWriterquote:
Originally posted by muzza:
we dont have mineral resources , or huge manufacturing capability , or many of the things other countries have . But we do have scenery and animals that live in the scenery.
But ultimately it is the scenery that tourists come here for, not a case of down selling my country at all - its being a realist.
Don't forget the lamb chops! When you buy them in the US, they are imported from NZ. Can't understand why more Americans don't like them - we love them.
01 June 2018, 06:17
A.J. Hydellquote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
We have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
Sounds like NZ is already in 'Third World' status, with Third World problems - like an economy that's primarily agrarian, not exporting significant and profitable 'hard' goods (like steel), and having to rely for most of its trade revenue on the rather fickle largess of foreign tourists.
Not a recipe for a booming economy.
That, and the fact that NZ draws thousands of cultish 'Rings' fans - in reality, 21st Century hippie-snowflakes - who want to live out their idiotic private fantasies communing with fairies and elves while roaming all over NZ, adds yet another reason to the list of why I'll never travel there.
Tootles.
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01 June 2018, 07:16
sambarman338Not sure exporting steel is definitely a sign of being first-world. We do less of it now because third-world countries can do it cheaper.
If the price of the real estate at Queenstown is any indication, I'd say NZ is doing OK.
01 June 2018, 11:01
shanksponyquote:
Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
We have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
Sounds like NZ is already in 'Third World' status, with Third World problems - like an economy that's primarily agrarian, not exporting significant and profitable 'hard' goods (like steel), and having to rely for most of its trade revenue on the rather fickle largess of foreign tourists.
Not a recipe for a booming economy.
That, and the fact that NZ draws thousands of cultish 'Rings' fans - in reality, 21st Century hippie-snowflakes - who want to live out their idiotic private fantasies communing with fairies and elves while roaming all over NZ, adds yet another reason to the list of why I'll never travel there.
Tootles.
Hmmm.
Price of steel per MT in USD $563.00
Price of Milksolids per MT in USD $3,226.00
Average expenditure of tourists in nz per person per trip - USD $2,158.60
Some one who's never been here makes a judgement based on something he's heard. I'm guessing that most kiwis would be relieved you don't intend to visit..... We don't tolerate ignorance well and don't need this stereotype loudmouth.
LOTR's did great things, but people don't come here chasing fairies, they head to Texas for that, they come here because the scenery and adventure is accessible.
01 June 2018, 13:14
sambarman338Is this what you're talking about shanks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFuc8CdvoAIts always nice when people offer uneducated suggestions on how we can improve the place we live. Especially people who have never been here , never intend too , probably have never been outside the boundaries of their own country , and actually have no idea wtf they are waffling about . You have a nice day A.J.
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01 June 2018, 23:10
AnotherAZWriterAnyone who has ever been to NZ would never call it third world...Auckland looks like any city in Europe or the US. Road system is great, people are educated, etc etc.
Best of all, the gun laws are a LOT better than OZ...
02 June 2018, 01:26
gryphon1Sambarman Is that what DEEP in the heart of Texas means?
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02 June 2018, 04:11
shanksponyquote:
Originally posted by sambarman338:
Is this what you're talking about shanks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFuc8CdvoA
Well he seems very Butt Hurt about something..
02 June 2018, 05:19
gryphon1Not all Texans are bad boys...SRV came out of TX and what a master he is/was too. I just played it again..again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsrQ-yZIVL4
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02 June 2018, 06:53
sambarman338... Not to mention ZZ Top or the inspiration for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdC7k2Nu4sBack on topic. New Zealand is as welcoming of tourists as any country that I have been in. (last count 38 different countries)
Just like anyone else though, they don't like people who don't or won't, act like civilized human beings.
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13 June 2018, 17:07
Bushchookquote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
quote:
Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
We have a freedom camping site on our farm. A DOC reserve and carpark they use almost every night of the year.
30 years ago the place was a mess. You could not walk the river banks for shit and toilet paper etc.
My father spent two years talking with DOC and requesting something to be done. The response was that there needed to be 8000 visitors a year to get a toilet built and they were sure it wasn't that popular. With some prompting They installed a step on the access way and a counter.
Once installed we ran 1000 sheep down the road and herded them across the counter and back again.
DOC were taken aback that 14000 visitors used the reserve and immediately put in a toilet. The place has been fine ever since.
Half our countries income comes from those tourists, As a country we are destroying our income base with measures to restrict farming and tourism both. Its nonsensical and will see us become third world as our income streams reduce and our population grows.
What we need is a good system of free or low cost campsites and toilet systems. Raise the GST component on items frequently bought by tourists. its an invisible tax and put that added income into investing in this problem rather than discouraging tourists.
Sounds like NZ is already in 'Third World' status, with Third World problems - like an economy that's primarily agrarian, not exporting significant and profitable 'hard' goods (like steel), and having to rely for most of its trade revenue on the rather fickle largess of foreign tourists.
Not a recipe for a booming economy.
That, and the fact that NZ draws thousands of cultish 'Rings' fans - in reality, 21st Century hippie-snowflakes - who want to live out their idiotic private fantasies communing with fairies and elves while roaming all over NZ, adds yet another reason to the list of why I'll never travel there.
Tootles.
Hmmm.
Price of steel per MT in USD $563.00
Price of Milksolids per MT in USD $3,226.00
Average expenditure of tourists in nz per person per trip - USD $2,158.60
Some one who's never been here makes a judgement based on something he's heard. I'm guessing that most kiwis would be relieved you don't intend to visit..... We don't tolerate ignorance well and don't need this stereotype loudmouth.
LOTR's did great things, but people don't come here chasing fairies, they head to Texas for that, they come here because the scenery and adventure is accessible.
NZ is better off without a visit from old mate. Some of the most beautiful scenery in the World and a great, civilised place to visit. I've been five times and will be back again. To describe it as third world just emphasises his ignorance.
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18 June 2018, 08:26
Carlsen HighwayLOL Probably better if some Americans don't travel....the average New Zealander has a higher quality of life than Americans, better education and healthcare, more personal freedoms, and doesn't have to deal with their endemic racism. Plus the nice scenery. It would probably ruin everything for him.
It's an inflammatory thread title. NZ is not getting tired of tourists at all, just some people in camper vans leaving a mess wherever they park...
I don't mind the tourist trampers, I quite enjoy meeting them in the huts. I am ambivalent about the raising of the hut fees just for overseas visitors. It sounds like revenue gathering to me. If DOC didn't spend so much on flying around in helicopters doing silly things it would save a great deal of money.
It is a sad fact that many Americans view the world as A.J. Hydell. No other word for it except ignorance. NZ is full of beautiful places, wonderful people, great beer(often over looked) and amazing sporting opportunities. I have been twice and hope to return possibly as early as next year.
Steve
Since I have a who daughter works as a tour guide in New Zealand from time to time (free plug
https://www.onceuponatripnz.com/ ), I figured I'd contribute to the thread. If you park a van or camper on just about any road or scenic area parking lot, when late evening rolls around you will receive a courteous visit from local police reminding you that you cannot spend the night there, that you have to be in a legal camping area. I'm sure there are more "illegal" campers in Southern California than in New Zealand.
Tourism is one of the world's biggest industries and the more beautiful the place the more pressure it puts on the residents to make sure it stays that way. I think they have found a very good balance in New Zealand. But go and look for yourself, then tells us about it.
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AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim.
I remain optimistic that ignorance is not stupidity, assuming that fact-based logic can change ignorance. New Zealand is a small fairly mountainous country with a small population (only 4.8 million, whereas New York City is around 8.6 million) compared to economic powerhouses like China or the USA or Europe (as a whole). But a Third World economy? Hardly. Let's examine some facts:
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/For some, it appears that "industry" is "the" sector that counts:
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/To use these statistics, go to the countries list bottom left, then deselect all, then check just the New Zealand box and the USA box. New Zealand's real GDP growth is slightly better than the USA's and their industry sector is a greater contributor to GDP than the US industrial sector. This is a not a 3rd World scenario.
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AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim.
Some more Third World statistics:
https://media.newzealand.com/e...nd-a-sailing-nation/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._vehicles_per_capitahttps://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/...d-world-war-overviewThis may not qualify as Third World, but the benchmark for "leggy" supermodel has to be Rachel Hunter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5aG4jIixG0But getting back to "serious" statistics, like relative child poverty in "developed" countries:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.99e11500671aSo, in the end, New Zealand has more yachts per capita than almost anywhere, only 3 countries on the planet have more vehicles per capita than New Zealand and they womp on the USA when it comes to poverty indices. It is amazing that anybody could state that there is even a distant relationship with a Third World country. There is one thing the US certainly has more of, I think they're called snowflakes. Somehow I don't see these kids whining their way to a safe place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tDRq4e5gI
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Poor New Zealand.
They have been getting far too many visitors from their northern Big Brother, and somehow they think all people of the world are similar; ie. ex-convicts!
I remember clearly reading a while back about some obnoxious New Zealand character committing all sorts of crimes in Australia, and they rightly sent him back home, with a not top never return again.
His comments was "why am I being sent to New Zealand? I have never been there!"
I kept wondering how the hell was going on!
20 June 2018, 08:10
marshmandanAt one time my Alma Mater had a significant forestry and agriculture research presence in NZ. I had even toyed with moving there at one point, but never could find enough online evidence of my profession at the time to convince me to give it a shot. One day I hope to be able to travel there as a tourist and kill a few things.
As an American, one thing I've never understood is Americans traveling other places and complaining about the differences due to their ameri-centric point of view. I always figured the point of going new places was to experience things that were different.
20 June 2018, 11:43
Ridgeman[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saeed:
Poor New Zealand.
They have been getting far too many visitors from their northern Big Brother, and somehow they think all people of the world are similar; ie. ex-convicts!
Always surprising when uninformed commentators from other countries don’t bother to fact check their attempts at smart arse jibes.
FYI , New Zealand was not a penal colony. That specific charm is related to the early European origins of our neighbors and good friends the Australians.
20 June 2018, 13:45
sambarman338What a great assembly, Wink! You have to admire the Scandinavians, though. They score high in all categories except jumping into wars and excessive car ownership, neither of which make much sense to me.
In regard to cars, the need for more per family may in fact be a sign of deficient public transport and local services.
At our place it is the kids who block our driveway and ruin the lawn with their jalopies; her at the coffee shop and yours truly are happy to make do with one car between us. Registration, insurance and depreciation mean a car costs about $5000 a year whether you drive it or not - and I drive ours only occasionally. We have trams, buses and green cars within 100 metres; two supermarkets, post office, a pub, gunshop and about 10 eateries within 400 yards, and almost everything else I need within reach of my morning walk. When I worked, the optional 25-minute walk from the station was exercise in the evening I did not need to prepare for. The cost of taxis used by my wife while I'm up the bush hunting come to nothing compared with the cost of owning an extra car. Therefore I'm proud of being behind the game in car ownership and commend the European nations that are, too.
Never been to NZ but planning on it in the next few years. Worked with some Kiwis in Alaska many, many years ago. Awesome people, we had a blast even though it was a miserable cannery on Kodiak Island. Also had a lunch with Davey of SwaziGear when he came through Bozeman a jillion years ago and never laughed so hard in such a short amount of time. Sorry about my countrymen and others who squeal about a place they've never been.
21 June 2018, 12:45
sambarman338Someone gave me Davey Hughes' autobiography for Christmas. Unfortunately, with all the other books beside the bed waiting to be read, I've only got through a few pages of it so far.
21 June 2018, 13:39
TOP_PREDATORI wouldn’t bother reading anymore of his book, it doesn’t get any better
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