I have heard England is phasing our lead bullets and shot over a five year period.

True?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have heard England is phasing our lead bullets and shot over a five year period.

True?

They want to phase it out in 5 years and lead will be allowed for clay shooting while steel is needed for game shooting where birds go into the food chain.

Denmark has used it for years but we are not looking forward to it. Not sure about the status on rifle ammo.

Will lead alternatives be permitted like tungsten and Bishsmith?

Is it a done deal?

Thank you.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Will lead alternatives be permitted like tungsten and Bishsmith?

Is it a done deal?

Thank you.

Not a done deal yet i dont think but one cartridge maker here and one shooting organsation pushed for it

In Europe people also hate the plastic shot wads so we need find a fibre load or bio wads which only one maker does ( the one who pushed for a blanket ban)

Also steel is £7 per 25 and Bismuth £30 per 25.

Thank you,

Hunt

I’m not opposed to lead but been shooting non lead for years and I’m impressed and happy as no fragments in meat parts and no issues with wounding unless I make bad shot
Also I s8mply shoot things within 100 yards and that helps with accuracy...why shoot long distance when you can sneak close and have great experience

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Originally posted by Hunt Inter:
Also steel is £7 per 25 and Bismuth £30 per 25.

By the Power of Greyskull, that is bloody expensive!

I can buy a case of shotshells for 30 quid.

All state forest, federal forest and most county (kries) forest in Germany require non-lead bullets.

Not sure if this was an environmentalist issue or done so RUAG could sell more bleifrei (lead free) ammo.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:

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Originally posted by Hunt Inter:
Also steel is £7 per 25 and Bismuth £30 per 25.

By the Power of Greyskull, that is bloody expensive!

I can buy a case of shotshells for 30 quid.

All state forest, federal forest and most county (kries) forest in Germany require non-lead bullets.

Not sure if this was an environmentalist issue or done so RUAG could sell more bleifrei (lead free) ammo.

We pay on average for 28 g clay loads £220/1000, pigeon 30g 6 £250/1000, 32g premium game loads £400/1000 and steel 32g £280/1000

Bismuth waterfowl is $1400 for a 1000

1000 Federal target loads are $265
8 shot 1 1\8th

1000 Cheap steel target dove loads are $300

1000 high end game loads with copper plated lead shot are $700

1000 Cheap steel 4 shot duck/pheasant $724

I was way off, maybe 4 or 5 per box is about as cheap as I can find.

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Not sure if this was an environmentalist issue or done so RUAG could sell more bleifrei (lead free) ammo.

It is an anti hunting anti firearm ownership issue.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
I was way off, maybe 4 or 5 per box is about as cheap as I can find.

I bought a lot on close out at wal-mart for 3 bucks a box for cheap field loads

From what I read, the big shoots can't sell their birds to the European market when shot with lead. The BASC wants to phase out lead to allow the shot birds to go to the markets. They also want to get rid of plastic wads. If they can't sell birds to the Europeans, then there will be a lot of waste and won't go over well with the non-shooting public.

Ken

Shot pheasants are close to worthless - can't remember what it was last season but on our shoot we just don't bother - they are taken by guns or given away. A few years back the dealers were charging to dispose of them! This led to a lot going in holes in the ground on big number shoots taking tens of thousands of birds with the subsequent venal publicity when this (inevitably) leaked out.

I'm not really sure how many birds (pheasant, partridge, grouse) are actually exported but I have a feeling its not too many.

With venison its slightly different - 95%+ of roe and (best guess) 80% of red venison goes to Europe - mostly Germany and for this we get a good price - £2.50/kilo or so for roe - though this tends to vary a great deal. Quite what the EU requirement for "lead free" venison will mean for this is currently moot but my guess is that anyone selling venison is going to have to use lead free bullets anyway - whether or not legislated for.