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16 November 2008, 22:34
Steffen
hunting with an AR?
are there any European countries that allows hunting with an AR-15?
17 November 2008, 00:40
IanF
Italy allows semi-auto centrefire rifles for hunting.

I know that the AR is also on the permitted list of firearms for import.

Could be this would be the place to go and hunt with an AR!

Rgds Ian


Just taking my rifle for a walk!........
17 November 2008, 01:22
Steffen
quote:
Originally posted by IanF:
Could be this would be the place to go and hunt with an AR!

Rgds Ian

i don't have one, i just want a DPMS Bull 24 really bad...

the AR is on the permitted for import-list in my country too, but practical shooting is the only way to get a license.
just wanted to know if there is any European countries that doesn't have such racist gun laws.

i can buy a Mini 14, put a pistol grip stock on it and buy 30rd magazines, and take it out hunting, perfectly legal.
but AR's are considered some kind of WMD... Roll Eyes
17 November 2008, 11:52
DUK
In Germany only magazines for 2 shot are allowed for hunting. That applies for to shotguns and rifles. How your rifle looks like, if it's black or not and if it can carry a bayonet mounted is not regulated by the state.

AR15, HK, G3 and the like are legal since some years now in their semi-auto configuration. I just wouldn't show up on a driven hunt with such a machine, one might draw funny looks...
17 November 2008, 13:12
Gerry
Steffen,

DUKie is correct for the The Fatherland. The only thing the German Law didn't foresee or include is a Pump-Action rifles or shotguns.

Both the Remington 870's (or Mossbergs - Pump Shotgun) & Remington 7600 (Centerfire Pumps) are not specifically addresses in the Law and can be used with more than 2 shots in the magazine.

Other than that you are limited here to two in the Magazine & one up the Spout - so max. three.

Showing up on a hunt here with a "Black Rifle" will in invariably make you the Center of Attention, right now! That's why they make nice Wood & Blue Remington 7400's & Browning BAR's. You see the Remington's often, in .308 Win. .30/06 Sprg. and the Brownings in .30/06 Sprg, .300 Win. Mag and yes, today they ate made in 9.3x62. For the ultimate Drive Hunt Boomer, the BAR in .338 Win.Mag. reigns supreme!

With France's peculiar cartridge restrictions & lisencing - I understand that for years Remington has had a solid monopoly there simply selling all the 7400's they could manufacture in both 7mm Rem. Mag. & 300 Win.Mag. Can't offer asnything up for France concernig the number of cartridges in the Magazine though.


Cheers,

Number 10
17 November 2008, 14:19
DUK
Gerry,

Pump action rifles or shotguns are not concerned because they do not reload automatically but manually. You can for this reason also put 5 rounds into the magazine of your 98 or Ruger 77 and legally hunt.

What I don't remember is if the magazines need to be mechanically plugged or if it's acceptable to only load 2 rounds plus 1 in the barrel.
17 November 2008, 16:22
Gerry
DUKie,

Ah, Correct!

I'm pretty sure it has to be a "physical" limitation for the magazine because the new Browning Long/Trac's, Short/Trac's all have different stock numbers for the rifles offered with 2, 3 & 4 round magazines - I tried to order one with a 4-round magazine and got told by my provider the only SKU available in Germany was the one with the 2-round magazine.


Cheers,

Number 10
17 November 2008, 16:32
DUK
Yes, I remember that one buddies semiauto 12- gauge had to be plugged for duck hunting. When out there, I always wondered how fast he was able to reload rounds 4 and 5...
17 November 2008, 18:04
Burkhard
Don't forget, minimum bullet diameter for big game is 6,5 mm(.260)
17 November 2008, 19:31
DUK
I allow to split hair and very slightly disagree: .257 is already legal.
17 November 2008, 19:56
Steffen
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
and yes, today they ate made in 9.3x62. For the ultimate Drive Hunt Boomer, the BAR in .338 Win.Mag. reigns supreme!

one day in the future i'll buy myself a BAR(4rd mag) or a H&K SLB2000(5rd mag) in 9.3x62

that would hopefully be a drive hunt boomer Big Grin
18 November 2008, 00:33
peterdk
steffen

you could also buy a double rifle and ad some class to your hunting.

Who are you going to war against ? learn to hit then you dont need that much firepower. archer

you can get your ar-15 in denmark as well, with 2 shot rounds mags for hunting and unlimited for the shooting ally.

best regards

peter




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18 November 2008, 01:32
Steffen
hahaha
i just don't desire a double rifle, if i were a gun i would probably be a AK.

since 2000 i have been at war with a bird called skjære(don't know the english name), its black and white and somewhat smaller than a crow.
18 November 2008, 12:10
DUK
quote:
Originally posted by Steffen-9.3:
since 2000 i have been at war with a bird called skjære(don't know the english name), its black and white and somewhat smaller than a crow.


Magpie, latin name pica pica?


18 November 2008, 13:53
Steffen
that's the one
20 November 2008, 03:17
Cohannon
Steffen, I understand the hunting of deer with a .22 centrefire is still legal in Southern Ireland. A recent chat with SIKA98K revealed the grant of a firearms licence down South for an AR-15 was at the discretion of the local police Superintendent, if so there is clearly no ban on their use for hunting.... Smiler

I too have a have an irresistable urge to hunt magpies at every opportunity and keep a high powered air rifle handy for visits from my regular black and white marauders.
20 November 2008, 03:45
Steffen
quote:
Originally posted by Cohannon:
I too have a have an irresistable urge to hunt magpies at every opportunity and keep a high powered air rifle handy for visits from my regular black and white marauders.

varminting is really fun, but i don't know of many who does it...more varmints for us Big Grin

maybe we should have a "the exclusive european varmint hunters association"or something like that.
and of course we would need to go on one month study trips(shooting ground hogs) to USA each year.
20 November 2008, 05:28
SIKA98K
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cohannon:
Steffen, I understand the hunting of deer with a .22 centrefire is still legal in Southern Ireland. [QUOTE]
True,but limited to a 22/250 or a 5,6x57 using a bullet weight of not less than 55 grains.Peculiarly the 220 swift is not deemed legal by the powers that be. An AR15 is a.223 so would not be legal for deer.Foxes and wabbits would be ok for this calibre.
23 November 2008, 13:52
sewinbasher
In the UK after recent legislation changes .22 centre fire derivatives can now be used for some deer species, .22-250, .223 etc., are legal for small deer species like CWD and muntjac provided the ballistics of the round meet minimum requirements whereas before .243 was effectively the smallest permitted calibre.

In Scotland a wider use of these calibres has always been permitted and legal targets include roe.

There is no practical limit on magazine capacity and as we are often looking to cull multiple does to carry 4 or 5 rounds in the mag is quite normal.

Automatic and semi-automatic weapons cannot be used for deer hunting and even automatic shotguns are limited to (I think) a 3 round capacity.
25 November 2008, 15:30
Steve Malinverni
Yes, Italy allows semi-auto centrefire rifles for hunting, but has many regional laws that state that the minimum bullet caliber is 6 millimeters.


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Stefano
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