Hi Guys,
I think about hunting muntjac and water deer.
Do you recommend a place/guide to hunt ? Any Infos on that? Prices?
Would love to see some pitures of your trophies and landscape!

Best Regards

Dennis

Go late enough in the year that the foliage will have died back. I tried this in September 2002 and muntjac could not be seen in the forest. I did get a whopper of a water deer and a good roe deer, but that was it.

Of course, I was hunting with a sorry SOB with limited grounds to hunt and that might have had something to do with the failed muntjac hunt as well.

We met James Ellis who managed the Gunton deer park at Elderton Lodge in the Northeast of England. If I was going back, I would try to contact him directly. He could organize both species. He also had access to sika, fallow, reds, etc.

Chinese water deer are really escapees from Woburn estate in Bedfordshire.

Hence anybody offering you this species in volume in theory are all located within 10 - 15 miles from the Abbey boundary.

Saying that, I have shot C.W.D. 20+ miles from the Abbey last year so i suspect it is a growing population.

Muntjac are plentiful in south of England.

I would advise you to contact Kiri - aka Fallow buck - who logs on regularly and he can guide you for both species.

I have shot with him and can vouch for his experience.

Just a few pointer, C.W.D. are NOT in their natural environment.

Those estates / farmers that offers them near Woburn have relatively flat DRY open terrain.

C.W.D. merely lie low in the middle of the field even during daylight and it is NOT challenging at all.

Average shot 100 - 150 yards

I am fortunately enough to see and film C.W.D. living in their NATURAL habitat in south central China.

They literally swim in Paddy fields CHEST DEEP all day.

I have a studio quality High definition footage but it is too large to post.

Google it and you will see what I mean.

Muntjac are also from south central China but lives in mountainous terrain up to 1200 meters in places.

Since hunting has been officially banned since the boxers revolution in the 1920 they grows to the size of a large roe deers - approximately 60 + kilos !

In England 20 - 30 kilogram is the normal for muntjacs

Muntjacs are prized as traditional chinese medicine.

A real muntjac mountain hunt/ stalk can almost be compared to a hunting a Chamoir in Europe.

Again they have been taken out of their nature habit in England and the majority are shot from high seats ranging from 50 - 150 yards when they come out to feed on flat land.

There are many many deer hunters on this forum and they shoot a hell of a lot more deer than I do.

I am sure they will join in and advice.

I think hunting these 02 species in China one day will be such an experience.

I hope it happens soon.

For me seeing them both in their natural habitat is such as buzz as a result shooting them in UK now feels like fence hunting in south Africa -

I would not consider it as a hunt but rather target practice.

Hope you are successful in your quest.

Just wanted to share my experience that's all.

There will be great debates as to what caliber to use.

May I suggest something sensible like a 243 Winchester ?

Thanks for the Infos.
I contacted kriri and I will try to join the Acc-weekend.

I do always prefer to hunt animals in their natural environment. That's the right ways to do it.
If nepal still offers hunting I will hunt muntjac there in a couple of years.
As far as I know China opened hunting again?!

WoW going all the way to Nepal for Muntjac will be expensive.

I am in constant touch with PRC and the latest is that it is likely to happen in 2012.

There are 03 US based outfitters already advertising hunts for PRC however personally I have reservations.

One needs extensive local knowledge and infrastructure to organize a successful hunt.

Nobody outside PRC will have this kind of experience at least for the first few years.

I would be inclined to book with local wildlife guides that has knowledge of terrain and habitat rather than somebody that has an internet connection.....Hope it makes sense.

The MAJOR sticking point is foreign sporting firearms.

Being a communist country technically, having FOREIGNERS bringing in firearms sends shivers up Beijing. SPORTING or not sporting. They don't know the difference.

Once some kind of assurance can be knocked out between central office and SCI hunting will open.

I think I am way off topic here so I will stop.

I know I will be first to go once it opens.

Can you imagine virgin terrain that has not been hunted for decades ........Not many places like that left in the world.

There are quite a few outfitters offering CWD in the UK
some are better than others , price wise aswell
as a one off trophy they are worth paying the money for just for the collection
As a rule they are not the hardest of deer to shoot and not uncommon to see upto 15+ in the field long shots I found were normally taken when sat in a high seat, when stalking I hav never shot one at more than aprox 60 yards
but they can hide from danger with the best of them
there are 5 in the next pic and the cock pheasant in the back ground really shows just how good they can dissapear in an open field



this good buck had no fear, even thou we had just shot a old buck 100 yards away in the same field

these were also in the same field after the shot was taken , the buck in the previous pic was only about 50 yards away


As for muntjac
they are a different kettle of fish
decent buck out in the open for once

typical morning browsing on a grass ride , but you need to be quick


another hiding in the undergrowth


this one blends in really well even for the sharpest eye it takes some finding


another in some long grass,
a promising Medal head


a few cull beasts





better look at the one in velvet

and one for the road getting the drinks in


ATB

@Richard
Thank you for the pictures!

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
WoW going all the way to Nepal for Muntjac will be expensive.

I am in constant touch with PRC and the latest is that it is likely to happen in 2012.

There are 03 US based outfitters already advertising hunts for PRC however personally I have reservations.

One needs extensive local knowledge and infrastructure to organize a successful hunt.

Nobody outside PRC will have this kind of experience at least for the first few years.

I would be inclined to book with local wildlife guides that has knowledge of terrain and habitat rather than somebody that has an internet connection.....Hope it makes sense.

The MAJOR sticking point is foreign sporting firearms.

Being a communist country technically, having FOREIGNERS bringing in firearms sends shivers up Beijing. SPORTING or not sporting. They don't know the difference.

Once some kind of assurance can be knocked out between central office and SCI hunting will open.

I think I am way off topic here so I will stop.

I know I will be first to go once it opens.

Can you imagine virgin terrain that has not been hunted for decades ........Not many places like that left in the world.

I will go to nepal one day, but not only for muntjac. If i go I take thar and blue sheep, too.
There is a german Company that offers hunts in China and I am sure i read a article about it.
Do you have any connections to china and hunting there?

There you are

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Here is another nice pic of a medal muntjac!

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Here is another nice pic of a medal muntjac!

Waidmannsheil - a real Monster.

Well i cheated,

i shot this one not in UK, but in Asia

Cheers

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Originally posted by dutchtrapper:
Well i cheated,

i shot this one not in UK, but in Asia

Cheers

Wow I am not an expert on muntjac but this one looks hughe.

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Originally posted by dutchtrapper:
Well i cheated, I shot this one not in UK, but in Asia

Cheers

No you didn't cheat, we are the ones who is cheating - in the UK !

quote:

Originally posted by dutchtrapper:
Well i cheated,

i shot this one not in UK, but in Asia

Cheers

Do you know what sub species your Muntjac trophy is?

For me it is the only muntjac i now?
But i can ask after.
I shot this one with a spotlight, so you can imagen i was suprised when we got to this muntjac.
Normally they are smaller.(the thropys)

Those are really a huge set of antlers they are really wide main tines and really long brow tines.

It does not look too old judging by the length of the pedicles.

Here are some more muntjac pics