My stalking partner and I been invited to hunt Moose, Boar and Red Deer in Sweden in October as part of a swap hunt arrangement.

Our Swedish hosts have just had a long weekend over here with us, stalking woodland Muntjac (nine animals taken, including three really nice trophy bucks), a bit of foxing / rabbiting on the lamp and spending a very amusing day with the shotguns, shooting rabbits being bolted by Ferrets. They are coming back later in the year for some really hardcore lamping of Herefordshire foxes and Scottish rabbits - one trip on munties and vermin felt a bit uneven to us when the return trip was Moose, Boar and red stags!

Given that the Swedish hunting will be a mix of stalking and running game, I think I'm going to need a new gun to partner my either my .270 or .300 rifle, neither of which are particularly good for snap shooting. I'm drawn to the idea of a double rifle if budget allows, although I quite like the idea of a lever action rifle along the lines of the Riflecraft Browning BLR 'Piginator'.

Does anyone have any experience of the Baikal O/U rifles in .30-06 or 9.3x74 - I'm not a label snob and can pick one up new for £600 or so. I know they are a tad agricultural but the Baikal shotguns I've owned have shot well and been well nailed together - however, if the rifles are crap, I'll not bother. As to calibre - fast and familiar .30-06 or the slooooow but devastating 9.3? Or should I just sell the children and buy something nice in .375H&H?

Lastly, as I have limited access to a running boar range, I'm advised I should practice by fitting target inside car tyres and shooting at them as they roll down a hill. I've got plety of space to try this - sounds like fun - but wondered if anyone has any other tips for learning to hit a moving target (I'm no shotgunner, so this is new to me and I'd like to have some chance of hitting something in Sweden).

Long live swap hunting!

Thanks,

Adam.

you should try the trigger before you buy the Baikal.
i had the single shot rifle, and the trigger was utter crap.

Browning BAR, Remington 7600(pump), Marlin 1895 might also be considered for a low budget driven hunts rifle.

What kind of rifles are your .270 and .300?
Its not a rifle thing its a sights issue.
You can use a lowpower scope with min. power of between 1-2,5 or a red dot sight. Iron sights are fine too.

I use my regular tikka t3 .308w with 1,5-6x scope for most of my hunting.

My recently ordered .300WM Ruger No.1 will be a pimped set up for long-range shooting with a heavy high-mag' IOR scope, so less than ideal for running game, plus it's a single shot. My bolt action PH Safari .270 might do OK without the moderator - I've got a S&B 1.5-6x24 flashdot scope to put on whatever I end up with. However, I really like the .270 as it is; my do-everything stalking rifle and I'm loathe to mess with it again.

The gun cabinet has a spare slot, my FEO is sympathetic and the budget will stretch to a £1000 or so - all of which adds up to a new gun that's ideal for moving targets that might bite back.

Adam.

I'd just look out for a decent 30/06, maybe a Blaser professional used if you can fin d one. A 9.3x62 would be perfect, but might not be worth the effort.

how much can you get for the children?



I'd go for a 9.3!

but reading swedish magazines it looks like the .308 is very popular there

Bill
6,5*55,3006,308w(sells most rifle now)and 9,3*62 are the most popular calibers here.
They who get a rifle for only bigger game like boar,bear and moose often use 9,3*62,9,3*57,8*57,.358nm and like.

Definitely get yourself a nice 9.3x62 and put your S&B 1.5-6x42 on it and you have the perfect rifle for the task. I have a Sauer 9.3x62 with this same scope and it’s one of my favourite rifles.....

Perfect rifle-Ingvar

I used a BLR before but i didnt like that i had to cock it erlier than a regular safty,it had a creapy trigger to. The animals hear the click if you cock it fast.

R93 is a popular choice for driven hunts.

Adam,

If you have the scope already then I've just bought a 375H+H in Sako 85 for about your budget.

I can check availabilty for you if you like.

Rgds,
K

I'd vote R93 Pro in 9.3x62. Great travel rifle that can do it all with the switch of barrel/scope or combo, or take 2 barrels, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Personally I prefer a rifle without the useless recoil. A .308 is perfect for sweden and driven hunts. You are able to shoot more rounds on a running target with a low recoiling rifle. Leave the cannons for the guys with small *****.

However, If you are going for boars in Sweden I am certain that they will ley you try to shoot one during evenings/nights. What you will need then is a good scope. Preferably a good 50 mm.

Use your 270 with S&B scope, train a lot on running targets and stay with that rifle.I have a 9,3x62 my self, but 6,5x55 is enouge here on moose, red deer and wild boar .

My 2 cents/pennys

quote:

Originally posted by Farmer John:
Use your 270 with S&B scope, train a lot on running targets and stay with that rifle.I have a 9,3x62 my self, but 6,5x55 is enouge here on moose, red deer and wild boar .

My 2 cents/pennys

+1
Use your 270 or 300.
Unless you really need an excuse to buy something new..

If I would be concerned, I'd take the following Blaser combo along :


OffRoad stock + scoped bbls., bolt heads and magazines in .300 Win Mag and 9,3x62.

Here's how they look assembled :


.300 Win Mag + Swarovski 2,5-10x42


9,3x62 Mag-Na-Port + Swarovski 1,25-4x24 w/ illuminated reticle.

Andre,

That's a box full of gun porn! I'm not sure my budget will stretch to that little lot, sadly, although having used a Blaser recently in Ireland, if I could afford it I could be very tempted to get rid of my .17, .223, .270 and .300 rifles and replace them all with a single Blaser and pile of barrels and boltheads...

Perhaps I'm just looking for an excuse to buy a new toy - and while I'm not sure I can stretch to a double rifle beyond the lumpy Baikal O/U, I have seen a nice CZ550 in .375H&H. This calibre appeals in ballistic terms, having the characteristics of a precision varminter in heavy magnum form. I'm not that bothered about recoil, given that I have the BMI to absorb it fairly happily, being built like the proverbial brick outhouse.

Adam.

If semi-auto is legal then a Browning or Benelli is available in 9.3x62 !
Marlin 45-70 makles a very nice repeater especially with ghost ring sights.

Save your money so you can buy a rifle you really want. A used r93 outback is in the reach if you sell a rifle, but your .270 is good enough and you are used to it.

Swedish hunters would generally choose 308, 30-06 or 9.3x62.

No problem using moderators in Sweden either.

I've used a 9.3x62 in 5 visits. This year I'm likely to use a moderated 308.

Do you have a licence for the moderator?

A neat o/u in 9.3x74R sure would be nice!

You mean one like this ?


FN-Browning CCS25 in 9,3x74R + Swarovski 1,25-4x24 in Sühler claw mounts

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Originally posted by Andre Mertens:
You mean one like this ?


FN-Browning CCS25 in 9,3x74R + Swarovski 1,25-4x24 in Sühler claw mounts

I think Im in love!

adam
you have already a gun for the job. your ph in 270 win is enough for all kind of huting in sweden.
here all manner of games including bears are hunted with 6,5x55 and your 270 loaded with 150 gr + nosler or any good bullet would do an excellent job. spend your money on hunting and don't worry for being underguned.
cheers
yes

Here are some more pics :




L side engraving with signature (lower R corner) of J. Baerten FN's former master engraver


R side engraving (arrows indicate hollow gas screws)


Both bbls. at 50 m

Adam, look no further:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Gun...Tactical%20Solutions

Amazingly cheap! Pity the saddle mount it doesn't come with a saddle mount. How much are they now? £300? That's an extra 61%

Seems too good to be true. I might buy it for the parts and sell off the barrel. Is there a "1" missing in front of the £495?

I bought an as new saddle mount a few weeks ago for £200.

Have you considered buying an Aimpoint for your 300? New quick detachable mounts on the gun, an Aimpoint, heavy bullets and you have a good set-up. And, you can even bring along the scope "just in case".

There is a reason why Aimpoint is made in Sweden you know. Most moose-hunting in scandinavia is done at rock-throwing distance (because of the use of dogs).

There probably is a minimum of 150 grains - or 10 grams - that you should optimally use in your bullet.

So as others say 270 and up. The classic European 8mm calibres are all good too. You might pick up a cheap 8x57R O/U even.

The minimum is 9g/139gr E100m 2700joule or 10g/154gr E100 2000j.
So .270w with 150gr is fine.

In my opinion Ingvar hit the mark there for the perfect European all round rifle!

I have a Sauer 202 in 300 win mag topped with a Kahles helia cxr 3-12x56 illuminated in recknagel QD mounts and with that setup i think i have just about everything apart from african big game covered...
Might find the need for a 375H&H and maybe 257wby barrels sometimes and possibly a lower power scope but as it is i think i have most any hunting situation covered...

As much as i love my Sauer i can see a Blazer R93 in my safe sometime in the future