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Re: red deer carcass damage

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23 January 2004, 03:17
Sauenj�ger1
Re: red deer carcass damage
It seems we are on a good side.

We (the hunters) can sell the meat direct to the consumer and get so between 3 and 6 Euro.

But back to the bloodmess.
The quick bullets are one main factor. Also the bullet.
But not all shots with low velocity do have no h�matome.
It seems that the situation of the game is also one factor.

My favourite meat gun for deer is my old 8x57IR with obout 700m/s (about 2100 fps) Softpoint and the result is good.

Best regards
23 January 2004, 03:46
Andre Mertens
Speed is the capital factor in bloodshot meat, secondary factors being bullet fragility and where you hit them. Last Sunday, I shot a Roedoe behind the shoulder at about 100 m. The load was a 165 Sierra GK travelling at 969 m" (3179 ft"), exit hole was about 5 cm and upon skinning I found no haematoma. This same load will demolish both shoulders and create a mess at shorter distance.
23 January 2004, 05:28
jpb
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Speed is the capital factor in bloodshot meat, secondary factors being bullet fragility and where you hit them. Last Sunday, I shot a Roedoe behind the shoulder at about 100 m. The load was a 165 Sierra GK travelling at 969 m" (3179 ft"), exit hole was about 5 cm and upon skinning I found no haematoma. This same load will demolish both shoulders and create a mess at shorter distance.



I agree -- this is why I find myself liking my .375 H&H more and more, and my 7mm Rem Mag less and less...

jpb
27 January 2004, 05:16
<JOHAN>
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Velocity and bullet construction are main factor

Daniel







Gentlemen



I have a few friends who are game keepers. They shoot each around 400 animals, mostly falow deers, roe deer and wild boars.



This is animals that will be sold for their meat. They have tried a lot of different calibers and bullets during the years. Their exprience is that longer the animals walks after the shot the more blood damaged will the meat be.



I have seen fallow who been shot with a 140 grain nosler in 6,5X55 that walked 500 meters, the animal could not be sold since the animal was blood shot. I have seen other animals shot with 270 win, 6,5-06, 280, 7mm rem were velocity been over 3000 fps. The bullets were normal premiums like nosler, oryx, swift and woodleigh. The blood shot meat has very little since the animals dropped shortly after the shot.

I think it's an combination of how long the animal walks after the shot and bullet construction.



Cheers

/JOHAN
27 January 2004, 06:12
mho
This is interesting, as it might explain some of the differences one does indeed observe with animals shot with either the same or equivalent calibers/bullets/distances, yet some are bloodshot, and some are not. The problem for most normal people, is that there are so many variants, that it is almost impossible to get an overview of what works and what does not, simply because we don't have the opportunity to witness enough animals killed. I know of a hunter/butcher in Switzerland who compiled similar information, but he was working with meat delivered to him by the hunters, so availability of data like Johan referred to above to was probably sketchy at best. His conclusion at the time: stay away from the small and fast calibers (for roe).
- mike
27 January 2004, 06:31
K9_75
In reading this thread I was surprised to see that no one mentioned what Johan has written above. For me this is a major factor in how much blood damage there is and where it is situated on the carcass. Blood damage steming from the bullet tend to be situated within the meat itself while blood damage from the animal running after the shot tends to be situated between different muscle groups and between membranes. At least this has been my observations based on processing the roe deer and moose shot by me and my friends (I've butchered/helped butcher maybe 400 roe, about 30 moose and a few boars and deer, and have in most instances had accsess to a very happy hunter giving me all (!!!) details )
Cheers
K9
27 January 2004, 07:33
HerrBerg
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I think it's an combination of how long the animal walks after the shot and bullet construction.




Indeed. The more movement, the more blood is pumped out into the muscle tissues.

After a shot through the front legs one can also save some future cleaning work, or meat damage, by making a cut between the chest and the leg - nearly cutting of the front legs. This will be done anyway when the game is butchered, but it will provide a great possibility to take away blood that will go bad much faster than the meat when the carcass is hung.
27 January 2004, 12:01
Pete E
Johan,

I have never considered the distance an animal runs as being a factor in the amount of blood shot meat so thank you for bringing that up!

I will mention this to a couple of friends and we will see how it relates to our expireinces!

Mike,

I think you are correct in saying that the large number of variables make it difficult to draw hard and fast conclusions..I think that is what is so facinating about stalking; the longer you stalk the more you realise how little you in fact really know!

Regards,

Pete
27 January 2004, 16:47
N E 450 No2
Gentlemen, one thing I have noticed is that bonded core bullets tend to cause much less damaged meat than non bonded core bullets. They also do much less damage to smaller animals that you might want to mount lifesize.