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12 March 2009, 22:18
Tundragriz
Recent incident in Germany?
Just wondering for those of you that live in Europe, do you think the recent killings in Germany will affect legislation concerning your ability to hunt and own guns?

I heard that some officials were asking for ways to prevent this from ever happening again across all members of the EU. Not sure what that means but it has a tone of more gun control?
12 March 2009, 22:23
Steve Latham
For Gun Control, READ" Gun Eradication " Roll Eyes
13 March 2009, 00:43
wildboar
Every time a similar tragic event happens, involving misuse of firearms, after the first dismay, I feel concerned, because the international anti-gun gang becomes a little more powerful. Every day, for instance, in Italy 12-13 persons die due to road accidents and hundreds are wounded but......who cares? As long as no firearms are involved it's somewhat "normal" coffee
13 March 2009, 02:54
D99
Unfortunatly this is true, the shootings in Dunblane killed off the ability to own pistols in Britain.

The Japanese are having kind of a national chrisis with folks stabbing one another. I don't think it will be very long there before you have to have a permit to leave your home with a knife. What's really stupid is the little bastards are doing it to gain national accpetance. Problem with having an entire nation with the same skin, eyes, and hair color. Hard to stand out.

50 years from now will we own guns? I hope so, we need to do what we can to continue to own guns.
13 March 2009, 13:44
londonhunter
DAM D99 does it mean my japanese friend cannot prepare sushi at home any more ?

just kidding

Sad for what had happened. I dont think any body really know the real impact. Time is the best healer and lie low at this point in time. True after most of these tragedies.
13 March 2009, 14:49
DUK
Fortunately until now reactions from most political parties except the Greens and the extreme left (not exactly a big difference between them) have been very reasonable.

We have strict but still reasonable gun laws, guns at home have to be locked away and not kept in a sleeping rooom like the one which was used for that recent and unfortunate massacre.

So far the political consense is that no new laws are needed regarding guns. Some conservative politicians demand that violent computer games like Counter Strike should not be made accessable to youngsters. This I think is a very reasonable demand.
13 March 2009, 15:27
Jon2
Yes I caught a clip on the BBC breakfast news yesterday morning and I am not sure who the guy was but he was a German Senior Police Officer I think and when asked about further gun control I was impressed by his response.He said something like - well some people like to use guns for sporting purposes and hunting and that is fair enough - what we should be concentrating on is looking for potential warning signs in personality behaviour etc.

My view on this is that the general public (here in the UK atleast) and I will say this is a generalisation seem to accept that there are sound laws in place now for the ownership of guns and it is the illegaly held ones which cause the problems. In parts of Manchester (and other cities of course) the criminal fraternity has access to full auto weapons with ease. It is this issue which needs to be addressed and I do believe largely the public relate to that real world situation.
13 March 2009, 15:27
wildboar
Actually, in Italy and France too the reactions to the recent bloody events have been mild and limited; the world economical crisis holds public opinion's attention.
15 March 2009, 16:41
wildboar
Here we go! I've just seen on TV that german Chancellor Merkel announced stricter control over firearm possession... Roll Eyes
15 March 2009, 17:28
robthom
Duk:

Could you please explain / expand upon the rule concerning not keeping weapons in a gun cabinet in a sleeping room?

I thought many people in Europe live in apartments, 'flats', and not in houses like the UK. So, they would be limited in the number of rooms and places they could place a gun safe - no under the stairs cupboard or closet.

I would have thought the authorities would be more upset if the cabinet was in a 'public' part of the home, like a living room, where visitors might see the cabinet?
15 March 2009, 18:06
wildboar
It's impossible to keep a gun away from a mad cohabiting relative; sooner or later he/she will certainly find the way to grab it and possibly carry out a massacre. The current mistake is that the "Political correctness" and the "Mandatory kindness" would force us to consider guns as evil, because it's not correct nor kind to consider a person as evil.
16 March 2009, 00:51
DUK
quote:
Originally posted by robthom:
Duk:

Could you please explain / expand upon the rule concerning not keeping weapons in a gun cabinet in a sleeping room?


Sorry for that misunderstanding, the gun used in the killings was not kept in a safe with the other 15 or so. Rather, the shooter's father had it unlocked in his sleeping room.

I do think that if you have a child that has undergone psychiatrical treatment and likes to play violent video games, this behaviour is not responsable, no matter what your local law says.

Here, you can have your gun safe wherever you want in you home.
16 March 2009, 01:36
robthom
DUK,

Thank you for the explanation. I took it to mean literally no guns allowed in the bedroom.

Here in the UK, the authorities are pressing parents not to allow children to have computers in their bedrooms. The idea is for computers to be placed in common / public areas of the house where parents can monitor their children's internet activity.

Funny thing, the state does not care about parental choice / misgivings over social education / state propaganda the children receive at school....
16 March 2009, 20:01
DUK
quote:
Originally posted by robthom:
Here in the UK, the authorities are pressing parents not to allow children to have computers in their bedrooms.


I do no like the government to "press me to do things."

However, like on the point not to have a gun plus ammo unlocked in my bedroom when a child is around I do agree on that one, too. My children do not have their own private PC in their bed room, as a parent I want to know what goes on their for their own safety.

A family is not a democracy, from my point of view. There are the two chiefs, my wife and I, and the rest are just common indians on foot.