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23 September 2006, 22:31
Ian (VA)
different "6.5mm" bore measurements
I just slugged the bore of my new (old) 1925 J.P. Sauer stalking rifle chambered in 6.5x58R Sauer. It measured .254" lands and .263" grooves.

The goal is to find a GC bullet in the 90-120gr. range that will have reasonable expansion on small deer inside 150 yds. with muzzle velocities fron 2400-2600 fps.

What diameter bullet do you folks reccomend and can it be bought?

Thanks for the advise,
Ian
24 September 2006, 01:45
mho
Is this a trick question?? On the surface, it sounds like you simply need a .264 cal bullet and may have to be a tad careful when you work up your load.

European "7mm" bullets are a bit larger (few thousands, I forget the exact number) than .284 cal, but they can still be shot in SAAMI spec .284 cal bores, provided you watch your pressures. I fail to see what is different in your case, although I admit to not knowing what a modern 6.5mm bore would measure.

- mike


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24 September 2006, 15:03
dutchgus
According to my RWS manual the minimum measures of the 6.5x58R are .252/.261 but they don't list any relaoding data. However the measurements are the same as for the 6.5x70R and for this cartridge the RWS-manual suggests the use of .257 bullets. Maybe this is of any help.

BTW the non-rimmmed version 6.5x58 has the same measurements as the modern ones: .253/.264
25 September 2006, 05:28
Ian (VA)
Thanks to both of you for your help. Regular old .264 jacketed bullets performed perfectly this afternoon.
25 September 2006, 11:04
fuhrmann
There is plenty variation in the old german "6.5 mm" dimensions.
Slug your barrels, and choose bullets carefully.
Old break-action guns do not like overpressure.

Minimal bore diameters, taken from the 1940 RWS handbook:

6.5 x 52R (or .25-35): L (land) 6.30 mm, G (groove) 6.55 mm
6.5 x 54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer: L 6.48 mm, G 6.78 mm
6.5 x 54 Mauser: L 6.40 mm, G 6.64 mm
6.5 x 57 (rimless and rimmed): L 6.45 mm, G 6.70 mm
6.5 x 58 R: L 6.40 mm, G 6.64 mm
6.5 x 68: L 6.45 mm, G 6.70 mm

Note that these are the "normalised" dimensions, introduced in the late 1930s. Bore dimensions in older rifles may vary.

Fuhrmann