What's good enough accuracy to ensure acceptable one shot kills ratio's on medium size deer at 300 yards?<BR><BR>Assuming the chosen calibre and bullet type are capable of getting the job done in the first place.what's the maximum accuracy error that would still get the job done?3"4"5"6"7"

If you can't shoot MOA or better at a 100 yards from a field position, you shouldn't be shooting at live game at 300 yards.

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If you can't shoot MOA or better at a 100 yards from a field position, you shouldn't be shooting at live game at 300 yards.

Brian,

Outstanding repsonse.

+1!

+2!

Aaron

This totally defeats the purpose of stalking , hunting and the skill involved in stalking a prey.

You are talking about a new sport of sniping deer

RIGHT ?

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Originally posted by Claret_Dabbler:
If you can't shoot MOA or better at a 100 yards from a field position, you shouldn't be shooting at live game at 300 yards.

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Why do you say that Brian? An engine room shot into a Fallow or Sika gives your an -8" target area. I have read elsewhere that many who regularly hunt deer at these and greater ranges, and just as regularly bring home their deer, consider that a 2" MOA achievement of accuracy to be perfectly acceptable.

I appreciate and accept that tighter is better. But how many can achieve sub 1"MOA at 300m+ in ordinary hunting circumstances and in situation that don't allow for prone off a bi-pod shooting?

I find this obsession with the need for sub 200m hunting that abound with many of the UK deer hunting fraternity some what perplexing when compare to many other deer hunting fraternities in other parts of the world. Nth and Sth America, Australia, New Zealand and Africa don't have the same obsessive attitudes to distance. Why is that and what is it about joe average UK deer hunter that makes him so anally retentive in this regard? Is it because he has never tried it due to inability and lack of practice, perhaps the fear of upsetting some a fellow shooter holds him back for pulling the trigger at anything over 150m. Perhaps he simply gives way to per pressure or fear of the unknown. Who know, by I do find it an intriguing subject matter.

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
This totally defeats the purpose of stalking , hunting and the skill involved in stalking a prey.

You are talking about a new sport of sniping deer

RIGHT ?

Ben

I suppose it all depends on what you deem to be "deer hunting". Which is all that "deer stalking" is any way.

Is the skill involved whist different any the less at either end of the spectrum? 30m or 300m the deer is no less dead.

And I've seen deer missed at 30m.

And yet many of the "best guns" from the 1920's on had long barrels and many leafed open sights supposedly regulated for out to 500yds so the idea of longer range shooting is not a new fad, although most of the gear to achieve it is in as far as the scope developements, range finders portable weather stations ect. For myself though, I think amything inside 300yds is hunting and past that is shooting.
My set up is a 1920's styles 7x57 with bolt mounted aperture for hunting and I carry a scope in my day pack in QD rings with a few rounds of different ammo in case something is past where I can hunt to but is still within my capabilities (and my equipment) to shoot. So far I have not had to use the scope.

Von Gruff.

Has IanF been around recently? His phrase "operators fist" comes to mind just now.

What was it I said, oh yeah, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Ginsoaked, you are

Sorry that you feel that way Brian.

There is no shame involved if you feel incapable of or reluctant to answer my question. I'm sure those that follow on will quite under stand.

Thank you for you input thus far.

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Originally posted by Von Gruff:
And yet many of the "best guns" from the 1920's on had long barrels and many leafed open sights supposedly regulated for out to 500yds so the idea of longer range shooting is not a new fad, although most of the gear to achieve it is in as far as the scope developements, range finders portable weather stations ect. For myself though, I think amything inside 300yds is hunting and past that is shooting.
My set up is a 1920's styles 7x57 with bolt mounted aperture for hunting and I carry a scope in my day pack in QD rings with a few rounds of different ammo in case something is past where I can hunt to but is still within my capabilities (and my equipment) to shoot. So far I have not had to use the scope.

Von Gruff.

True longer range shooting is not a new phenomena. Professional meat hunters and shooters a like have been shooting beasts out to 500m for over a century.It is still widely practices in many parts very successfully and is well accepted and respected. Only here in the UK do we seem to have an obsession with it in reverse.
Many that stand an tut and wave a disapproving finger, become shy or find reasons not to discuss their views when questioned. What exactly they fear in entering to the fray escapes me. Likewise their dogmatic refusal to accept that the skill required is no lesser than that skill required to enable someone to creep to a point where you can reach out and touch. I find their attitudes as a whole bemusing and blinkered.

it sounds as if you have an ideal combination for your type of hunting. Congratulations. I'm sure it must be most fore-filling to bring home your hard won prize using the iron sights.