Should a feral cat be...

15 December 2005, 22:06

N. S. Sherlock

Should a feral cat be considered a varmint or a predator. In the typical U.S. hunting situation, say rural Ohio, what should a hunter, say a rabbit hunter, do? Why? You know I have a lot of fun with crats, but what is the serious answer for an average hunter?

15 December 2005, 22:41

butchloc

now now N.S. you know perfectly well that a feral cat should be considered dead

15 December 2005, 23:01

crowrifle

Feral cats are a pox upon the land and as such should be considered as vermin. No closed season. No bag limits.

16 December 2005, 00:54

jfromswk

I think I read once that the two worst offenders (at least in Kans.) for reducing the quail population were feral housecats and great horned owls. I disagree with Crowrifle, at least as concerns bag limits. I think there should be a bag limit and it should always be one more than whatever you've shot!

We were talking cats, right? jp

16 December 2005, 02:59

AZ223

I like the AZ law; it just says "Other furbearing mammals" if it's something not otherwise listed. Pretty much covers it.

16 December 2005, 03:31

prof242

I have two cats myself, each truly a predator. Saying that, I have to agree with the sentiment on feral cats. All three of us are "fixed."

16 December 2005, 05:25

45/70multitask

my best daily bag of crats was 38 (a full hole full)...

16 December 2005, 18:09

Waffen

I've shot my share of them, but they are quite a bit harder to kill that just about any other varmit out there short of a coyote (at least in my expirence). They really make you earn it.

I do love the people who think feral cats are just as domesticated as house cats. Thoes yahoo's that suggest spaying a feral cat are insane. I wish a major network would do a primetime segment live where they put one of thoes hippies in a room with a ferel cat and try to get them to catch/spay one of thoes things. That would get some laughs.

I say get rid of them. I'm allergic to cats anyway

16 December 2005, 20:47

need4speed

we call them "field lions" and they are considered quite a prize

but seriously, they do reek havoc on pheasents, take em out.

17 December 2005, 07:29

338vt

When I lived in Mississippi I never saw a quail, and everyday I probly came acrossed three or four cats, at leased the first years. The last year I was there the coyotes in the area had come back strong and I might have seen three cats a week. I must say, I miss ol' miss.
338vt

18 December 2005, 07:45

DigitalDan

Well then, we are unanimous!

Kill 'em all!

20 December 2005, 19:46

squeeze

I watched a cat hunting the brushpiles around
my meadow...Adjust AO, for kitty's range,
put reticle centered on kitty's body, for maximum
red mist, and ...Oh Oh, Kitty has a collar...Stomp
over to neighbors...Knock on door. "Madam, do
you have a black and white cat?". "Well, yes I
do". "Madam, I saw your cat, sitting on my
meadow, and I want to tell you that you might
want to keep kitty in the house, since I have a
bunch of coyotes, on my property, and they will
eat cats". "Oh my god, I will keep her in the
house, Thank You for warning me"...

My face hurt from smiling, as I walked back
home...Next time kitty sits on my meadow, the
coyotes are going to get her.

Squeeze

20 December 2005, 21:52

N. S. Sherlock

Well, that is one way.

23 December 2005, 05:47

Lost Oki

State DNR officer lives right next to where we deer hunt. His opinion is to shoot first and then see if they have a collar. One or two of his neighbors have decided to keep their cats inside.....all the time.

23 December 2005, 06:53

budiceale

the serious answer is that all feral cats should be shot on sight. when i was a kid my grandparents had a semi wild cat that lived in the barn. they said that she kept the mice and rats under control. one day i crawled back into where she was raising a new litter and found her "nest". it was about 2 feet in diameter and 2 inches thick with quail feathers. no sign of mice or rats by the way. even the bunny huggers need to know that feral cats kill thousands(maybe millions??) of song birds every year. just shoot em!!....bud

23 December 2005, 09:16

smokepole

quote:
Originally posted by budiceale:
the serious answer is that all feral cats should be shot on sight. when i was a kid my grandparents had a semi wild cat that lived in the barn. they said that she kept the mice and rats under control. one day i crawled back into where she was raising a new litter and found her "nest". it was about 2 feet in diameter and 2 inches thick with quail feathers. no sign of mice or rats by the way. even the bunny huggers need to know that feral cats kill thousands(maybe millions??) of song birds every year. just shoot em!!....bud

Is bird feeding considered baiting? If so, I am guilty. But it works so well.

23 December 2005, 09:32

D99

I watched a show on BBC a few years ago that stated it was bleleived that feral cats acounted for the rapid decline in song birds in Britain.

If it's happening there it's happening everywhere.

I walked by a bush last night and one came jumpng out, but my boot caught one square in the nose and nothing drops a cat like a 12.5 EE square on the nose at full swing.

I got one a few weeks ago with a bowling ball sized rock, it smushed him against a tree.

23 December 2005, 09:32

D99

Just because I don't have a rifle in Italy doesn't mean I can't kill cats.

23 December 2005, 09:33

D99

The base Command Master Chief, put out a kill on sight order on cats.

Some of the ARFs didn't like it, but we have about 2000 of them on the base.

24 December 2005, 03:07

Nickudu

I do not hesitate to shoot them on sight in the wild. Further, as every 5th house in the neighborhood seems to be occupied by a "Cat Lady", I've trapped quite a number of their "babies" over the years. Should a woman condemn my interest in hunting, I'm quick to inquire whether she's a cat owner (50% Yes) and then ask if she knows where they are at night.

24 December 2005, 03:54

Fjold

quote:
Originally posted by N. S. Sherlock:
Should a feral cat be considered a varmint or a predator. In the typical U.S. hunting situation, say rural Ohio, what should a hunter, say a rabbit hunter, do? Why? You know I have a lot of fun with crats, but what is the serious answer for an average hunter?

We have seasons for predators, varmints are killable all year, therefore feral cats are varmints.

25 December 2005, 04:42

Peakebrook

For the shotgun lovers, the tungsten Hevi-shot rolls them real well.

28 December 2005, 01:37

bshort6

We get $.55/lb for fresh ones from our local China Town. Big white ones sometimes bring $.78/lb on holiday weekends. I think they said the white ones skin easier.
Our rule is if they are 1/2 mile from a house they are wild. We never take them off porches.

28 December 2005, 09:50

claybuster

bshort6,,tell us more about this market,,this is quite intrigueing,,What are the protocalls,,do you just drive through chinatown barking GET YOUR FRESH CAT HERE!!!? I'd be happy to cover the cost of ammo selling these rats,,These aren't the neighbors pets either,I call animal controll on them,True free range,mange vermin here,,no joke,,Clay http://www.organicfreerangecrat.com

28 December 2005, 13:11

smokepole

It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend has 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.

28 December 2005, 13:13

smokepole

quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:
It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend had 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.

30 December 2005, 20:21

halvey

In Minnesota, cats outside the house are varmints and can be shot. In Wisconsin, you are shooting someones "pet".

quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:
quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:
It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend had 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.

Will this harm other animals at all? Sounds like a great idea. I hear a little antifreeze works too.

30 December 2005, 20:53

smokepole

This info came from a vet. Won't hurt dogs. Other things I don't know. It seems cats develope breathing problems and give up the ghost. Antifreeze tastes sweet and does attract dogs. Tylenol is more selective.

30 December 2005, 21:42

N. S. Sherlock

quote:
Posted 23 December 2005 09:32
I watched a show on BBC a few years ago that stated it was bleleived that feral cats acounted for the rapid decline in song birds in Britain.

If it's happening there it's happening everywhere.

I walked by a bush last night and one came jumpng out, but my boot caught one square in the nose and nothing drops a cat like a 12.5 EE square on the nose at full swing.

I got one a few weeks ago with a bowling ball sized rock, it smushed him against a tree.

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D99
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Posted 23 December 2005 09:32
Just because I don't have a rifle in Italy doesn't mean I can't kill cats.

http://photobucket.com/albums/b18/windriver80/

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D99
one of us

Posted 23 December 2005 09:33
The base Command Master Chief, put out a kill on sight order on cats.

Some of the ARFs didn't like it, but we have about 2000 of them on the base.

http://photobucket.com/albums/b18/windriver80/

Diversity is owning German guns!
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Nickudu
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Posted 24 December 2005 03:07
I do not hesitate to shoot them on sight in the wild. Further, as every 5th house in the neighborhood seems to be occupied by a "Cat Lady", I've trapped quite a number of their "babies" over the years. Should a woman condemn my interest in hunting, I'm quick to inquire whether she's a cat owner (50% Yes) and then ask if she knows where they are at night.
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Fjold
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Posted 24 December 2005 03:54
quote:
Originally posted by N. S. Sherlock:
Should a feral cat be considered a varmint or a predator. In the typical U.S. hunting situation, say rural Ohio, what should a hunter, say a rabbit hunter, do? Why? You know I have a lot of fun with crats, but what is the serious answer for an average hunter?

We have seasons for predators, varmints are killable all year, therefore feral cats are varmints.

Frank
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Peakebrook
one of us
Posted 25 December 2005 04:42
For the shotgun lovers, the tungsten Hevi-shot rolls them real well.
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bshort6
new member
Posted 28 December 2005 01:37
We get $.55/lb for fresh ones from our local China Town. Big white ones sometimes bring $.78/lb on holiday weekends. I think they said the white ones skin easier.
Our rule is if they are 1/2 mile from a house they are wild. We never take them off porches.
Posts: 3 | Registered: 02 March 2005

claybuster
one of us

Posted 28 December 2005 09:50
bshort6,,tell us more about this market,,this is quite intrigueing,,What are the protocalls,,do you just drive through chinatown barking GET YOUR FRESH CAT HERE!!!? I'd be happy to cover the cost of ammo selling these rats,,These aren't the neighbors pets either,I call animal controll on them,True free range,mange vermin here,,no joke,,Clay http://www.organicfreerangecrat.com
Posts: 1792 | Location: woodbine,md,U.S.A | Registered: 14 January 2002

smokepole
new member
Posted 28 December 2005 13:11
It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend has 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.
Posts: 12 | Registered: 23 December 2005

smokepole
new member
Posted 28 December 2005 13:13
quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:
It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend had 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.
Posts: 12 | Registered: 23 December 2005

halvey
new member
Posted 30 December 2005 20:21
In Minnesota, cats outside the house are varmints and can be shot. In Wisconsin, you are shooting someones "pet".

quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:

quote:
Originally posted by smokepole:
It's not as much fun, but crats are deathly allergic to Tylenol. A friend had 9 take up residence in her garage, couldn't shoot them, too close in. One can of tuna and a handful of ground pills sprinkled on top got eight of them. The best part is they go off to die. Nothing to pick up.
Will this harm other animals at all? Sounds like a great idea. I hear a little antifreeze works too.
Posts: 91 | Location: Minnesota | Registered: 05 October 2004

smokepole
new member
Posted 30 December 2005 20:53
This info came from a vet. Won't hurt dogs. Other things I don't know. It seems cats develope breathing problems and give up the ghost. Antifreeze tastes sweet and does attract dogs. Tylenol is more selective.
Posts: 12 | Registered: 23 December 2005

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30 December 2005, 21:48

N. S. Sherlock

Sorry about that. I was composing a serious statement for this thread, a crat appeared at the bird feeder outside my computer room window, and in my rush to find some cat medicine, I spilled part of a bulk pack of remmie yellow jackets on the keyboard, and the rest is history. N.S. Sherlock

31 December 2005, 00:02

smokepole

When I work in close to the houses, I use .22 subsonic. They don't attract attention with a loud report. My former neighbor and I had it down to a science. Open window, get muzzle inside house, use subsonic .22s kept the population under control in our neighborhood. We fed wild birds on a grand scale. Both of us used to buy 50# bags of sunflower seeds. The most important part of our method is open the window.

02 January 2006, 21:56

Bullshooter

quote:
originally posted by D99

I walked by a bush last night and one came jumpng out, but my boot caught one square in the nose and nothing drops a cat like a 12.5 EE square on the nose at full swing.

I got one a few weeks ago with a bowling ball sized rock, it smushed him against a tree.

i was hoping that your photobucket link had some pictures of this.

16 January 2006, 16:47

zaitsev

Gentlemen (especially D99 it seems) the crat hunters of Britain salute you. We have lots of problems with furry purry critters here and deal with them by various means. The boot to chin method as proscribed by d99 was employed by a friend of mine just before Christmas on a crat that had its head stuck in a crisp packet.
A tad unsporting perhaps but a 30 yard conversion is a respectable distance!
Conversely the fullbore is also employed and 87gr of HPBT does do the business rather well and leaves pretty decorations on adjacent vegetation.

Get them by fair means or foul means, but get them and then deny all knowledge

'Let the bullets whisper gently'

16 January 2006, 17:02

DigitalDan

quote:
Sorry about that. I was composing a serious statement for this thread, a crat appeared at the bird feeder outside my computer room window, and in my rush to find some cat medicine, I spilled part of a bulk pack of remmie yellow jackets on the keyboard, and the rest is history. N.S. Sherlock

Is that sorta like readin' tea leaves in reverse?

16 January 2006, 19:27

boilerroom

So, where the hell is Ghengis these days?

Didn't he come back as . ?

17 January 2006, 01:32

N. S. Sherlock

An administrative type, perhaps?

17 January 2006, 07:20

DigitalDan

There once was a troll named Ghengis
who wanted to play with his thingis.

While searching with finger-of-ringus,
and finding no penilingus,
shouted "I must be bi-dillydingus!"

Oh how I miss those days...

But not by much....

17 January 2006, 22:45

boilerroom

17 January 2006, 23:22

Longshot

N.S. Sherlock:

Read your NC hunting regs. Ferral cats with no collar are considered "Wild Cats". In North Carolina there is no closed season on "Wild Cats". Just don't muck it up by shooting your neighbors cat in front of his kids and wife. I had problems with a neighbors cat coming over to my house and sharpening his claws on my motorcycle seat and pissing on my deck. I asked them very nicely to keep their cat home as we have a leash law. The neighbor said he did not have to keep his cat off my proprety. I bought two conibear 110 traps. I put them in my garage where a dog could not get into them. I loaded them with hotdogs. The next morning I had a bugeyed furball that I put into a garbage bag and quietly put it in the dumpster at work. I reset the trap and caught another bugeyed furball the following night. I repeated the process for a few day. Another method if you live in the city is to use a havaheart live trap and turn the cat loose on the other side of town or turn it into the animal control office. Most of the time if the cat is retrieved by its owner it cost them $25.00 to $50.00 to get it back. It does not take long for them to keep them home.
Longshot

17 January 2006, 23:29

DigitalDan

IIRC NS has the technology to take 'em to the other side of town and deliver them home air mail...par avion as it were.

Dan

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