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26 February 2004, 00:08
bughole
savage 110e bolt closes hard
I posted this on the Gunsmithing Forum.
Only response was that, Yes, Savage makes chambers tight.

Any thoughts ? I just wonder if this is problem or not. I tend not to think so, since it doesnt look like a headspace issue. Maybe the dealer I got from will polish the chamber





I just picked up a used Savage 110e in 22-250. Its in fair shape and will be used for coyote hunting.

I got a box of factory loads, Fed Premium 55gr Sierra hp.

But, with some rounds, the bolt closes hard, or stiffly.
I fired the gun, accuracy seems decent, with some potential with handloads. Again with some, it opened tough. No signs of overpressure. I did clean the chamber and didnt find rust.
The cases are scratched near the head, at the widest part. No scracting on the head, or the shoulder. The bullets are not jamming the rifling.

Ideas ? Could it just be that the chmaber is tight ?


I would add that with some of the fired cases, if I put back in chamber extraction is sometimes hard. Perhaps its because its being inserted differently than where it was when fired.
26 February 2004, 03:04
hivelosity
I would get the chamber cleaned up, any scratches will cause the spent round to grip the chamber wall.
Also put a little grease on the locking lugs and on the rear of the bolt where it rotates to help with the opening and closing.
It does not take much in the chamber to stick a cartrage even a little.
Dave
26 February 2004, 03:23
Dutch
Please be more specific about "scratches at the head". Yes, every Savage has minimal headspace, one of the reasons they shoot so well. They should not, however, scratch brass. Might be a burr. FWIW, Dutch.
26 February 2004, 11:40
Cal Sibley
Are these reloads you're shooting? Do you get the same condition when firing factory loads? I'm thinking it is quite possible that if these are reloads you're not getting the die down to the point it contacts the shell holder. In this case the case head wouldn't be resized enough to allow smooth closing of the bolt when chambering a round. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal
26 February 2004, 12:02
bughole
These are factory rounds - fed premium 55gr Sierra hp

The scratching is not on the head(where headstamp is), scratches are on the case sides, towards the head, about the fattest area.

I have cleaned the chamber pretty good with Shooters Choice mc7, kroil, and jb compund.

May be that the chamber needs polishing
26 February 2004, 13:14
Ricochet
Yeah, it could have a little burr on the chamber edge or something.
26 February 2004, 14:34
bill22250
I just had a new Barrel put on one of my rifles. I wanted a tight .223 chamber and man I got it. Bolt would not quite close on the go gauge. I would recommend having a Smith (or you if you want to buy the gauges) check the chamber with go and nogo gauges. Put the go gauge in, the bolt should close, put the no go gauge in, the bolt better not close. When in doubt, good place to start. I am not an expert, but this worked for me. (I had a gun smith do this for me)
27 February 2004, 04:41
poletax
bughole, I have two Savage rifles. One a 1960's model in .220 Swift and the other a new 110 in .308.
I reload for both and the shells have to be exact or I have bolt closure problems.
During reloading I use a cartridge case length gauge to weed out any cases that aren't going to work.
I have come across factory loads that won't fit the gauge and cause a stiff bolt in the .308.
These same shells fit fine in my old Enfield. But then again, the Enfield won't shoot half as good as my beloved Savage.
As far as scratching the shells, I would have a gunsmith check that out.
27 February 2004, 05:59
hivelosity
if you use a guage in the scratched chamber it will onlg give you a false measurement the chamber has to be clean and free of SCRATCHES.. Clen it up first.
27 February 2004, 06:56
Matt_E
That's funny...I have the EXACT same problem.
I have a 12VSS in 22-250. I get sticky bolt lifting roughly 1-2 grains before book max, which in itself may not be problematic.
Cases like to stick in the chamber. Not only is there heavy bolt lift, but once the bolt is lifted, I cannot pull it back. I need to open-close a few times, then I can extract.
The casings show scratches along the length of the case, particularly between shoulder and web.
It's driving me nuts.
27 February 2004, 23:54
bughole
any suggestions on polishing the chamber ?
Or, is that gunsmith work only
28 February 2004, 01:34
Reloader66
Since you purchased a used rifle and don't know it's history, with no clue as to how the previous owner may treated that rifle. How well that previous individual treated that rifle have much to do with the problems you have now. That may be the reason the previous owner sold the rifle since it developed this defect while in his care.

It is probably in your best interests to have a qualified master gunsmith inspect the rifle. It is certain he can resolve the problem with this rifle. Shooting extremely high pressure reloads can stretch actions and render them useless in short order. The rifle may have been taken apart and re-assembled improperly by the previous owner or incompetant gunsmithing work.

Any rifle, custom or factory, constructed properly should chamber factory or well made reloads with relative ease of operation. The bolt should close and open with light resistance as it seats or extracts the loaded or fired round from the chamber. Sticky bolt lift on new unfired or properly fashioned reloaded can indicate headspace problems, stretched action, improperly lapped locking lugs, a damaged chamber from any number of unknown reasons.

Take the rifle to a competant qualified gunsmith and get his expert opinion regarding your specific problem.
28 February 2004, 03:24
Matt_E
No suggestions. I have just been dealing with it and learned that max loads for my gun are below book max loads
06 March 2004, 13:16
bill22250
good point.