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Laminated wood stocks on infantry rifles in World War II

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11 January 2018, 15:36
Naphtali
Laminated wood stocks on infantry rifles in World War II
I understand that German 98k rifles were manufactured with laminated beech stocks because there was an insufficient amount of "conventional" wood available, not because the laminated wood offered significantly superior stability. Why did not American and British rifles use a comparable laminated wood stock? I would think that any laminated wood would offer comparable stability.


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11 January 2018, 16:22
Jerry Liles
Most likely because they did not have too. Adequate quantity of suitable wood was available. As for the superiority of the laminated stock the plain wood stock was perfectly adequate for an infantry weapon that was expected to be "used up" so why go to the trouble of making the laminate stock?
12 January 2018, 07:04
Grizzly Adams
Don't see many birch stocks outside the USSR either. Wink Suitability, supply and cost dictate what is used. Interestingly, the Soviets went to laminated stocks on some SKS rifles.

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12 January 2018, 07:38
NormanConquest
I agree with Jerry.Later on in the game the Germans were working with limited resources.When I had my FFL in the 80's under Reagan when the USSR collapsed I was buying from Soviet sources,crates of 98 Mausers still in the cosmoline from the soviets stockpile.They had what looked like full oak stocks along with a leather action sleeve + bayonet. I was paying $150.00 each.Those were the days my friend,we thought they'd never end.


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13 January 2018, 06:10
dpcd
Yes, the Kar98k and the G43 had laminated beech stocks from late 1941 (mixed at first) through 1945, but some 98ks have solid walnut in 1945 too. Yes, they are much stronger than walnut and they were used because solid wood was in short supply. Why didn't the US make them? Two reasons; we have an unlimited supply of solid wood, both walnut and birch were allowed per the drawings, and, laminated stocks are more expensive, and are quite a bit heavier. We could produce more stocks than we could break, like all of the resources we used, loaned, and sold, with which we and our allies used to win WW2. Men, and Materiel of all types; that was the big mistake both Japan and Germany made; way underestimated our industrial capability and the willingness to make and spend whatever it took.
13 January 2018, 07:44
NormanConquest
Yes indeed;makes me wonder how many today would stand up + tow the line.


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09 June 2018, 23:01
PerH
And it was part of the winter rifles also with the laminate stock they used. Czech Vz 24 k98 modewinter trigger guard used laminate stocks almost exclusively.


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10 June 2018, 19:35
enfieldspares
It's because you don't need a four foot long piece of walnut (or alternative woods)...that's why! You can use shorter lengths and glue them to make a longer length.

The Germans had plenty of wood..that sure as many a poor GI found in the Hurtgen Forest. Just not seasoned walnut (or alternative woods) in four foot lengths.