THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM FORUMS

Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Rolling block Swedish model 1867
 Login/Join
 
one of us
posted
I have now bought a Swedish model 1867 rolling block i intend to use it for black powder competition, it will take about 6 weeks to get the firearms permit to get it home. Price for a hunting model 50$-500sek.

The cartridge 12,7*44r which is very similar to 50-70 exept it have a .497 bore barrel and use .505-.510 bullets. The Swedish military decided to reuse barrels and stocks from the new 1860 model muzzle loader and from model 1864 breach loader. The muzzle loading barrels gave it wrong rifle twist, big bullet diameter and shallow grooves. The military cartridge were a rimfire 12,7*42rf when it was impossible to reload them the Swedish sharpshooters movement(rifle competition and civilian defence paramilitary units) ordered cases with primers 12,7*44r and converted their rifles to centerfire. The use of rolling blocks (model 1889 in 8*58rd) ended in the national guard about 1950 then the Swedish smg CG45 arrived.

I would like to hear how you load your 50-70gov.

Swedish model 1867-1874
http://www.gotavapen.se/index_g.htm
 
Posts: 3508 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
I also have a Swedish roller in 12.7x44 and I use the same bullet for both 50/70 ans 12.7x44.

Cases are reformed from 348Winchester, expanded, trimmed to length, and then fireformed.

The barrel on my rifle came as mint with very deep and clean rifling.





Hold still varmint; while I plugs yer!
If'n I miss, our band of 45/70 brothers, will fill yer full of lead!

 
Posts: 1768 | Location: Kingaroy, Australia | Registered: 29 April 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
Nordic, I have had several of these over the years. Wonderful rifles and an excellent cartridge.
By the way, you can shoot loads made up for the .56-50 Spencer in these chambers with fine accuracy. You'll just want to clean the camber carefully.


There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t.
– John Green, author
 
Posts: 14087 | Location: Alamogordo, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
Thanks
Wallace do you use the same cartridge in both 12,7*44r and 50-70? Do you find any difference in the throat and neck area?

Bill tell me more about .56-50 Spencer.

I have made an order of a toolset for 50-70 now. I am going to buy 500 Alaskan Starline brass to cut down as a dealer has them in stock at the price of 2,5$ each as opposed to 12,7*44r stamped Bertram for 5$ each.
 
Posts: 3508 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
I have an 1889 in 8x58 RD. Nice rifles. Thinking it might become a 32-40.
 
Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Nordic2:
Wallace do you use the same cartridge in both 12,7*44r and 50-70? Do you find any difference in the throat and neck area?

Different shell, 12.7 is slightly shorter and different rim size. I made several casae from 450/400 Nitro Express brass which has the correct rim size of 0.620".
The 50/70 cases holds a full 70gn FFG while the Swedish is only 64gn.


Hold still varmint; while I plugs yer!
If'n I miss, our band of 45/70 brothers, will fill yer full of lead!

 
Posts: 1768 | Location: Kingaroy, Australia | Registered: 29 April 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
I once had a Swedish model
She was loud and smoked too Big Grin


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
 
Posts: 27117 | Location: Where tech companies are trying to control you and brainwash you. | Registered: 29 April 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
Thanks Wallace

I have got a few cases in 12,7*44r and .50 Alaskan the Bertram 12,7 case has a 16mm rim and 13,8mm base, Starline .50 has 15,5mm rim and 13,9mm base. Bertram feels thicker.
 
Posts: 3508 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
The first 1867 I bought were not in shooting condition now, I finally got a Husqvarna Rolling Block made in 1872 with aparture sights. I have casted my first 12,7/.497 385gr bullets.



https://www.thehuntinglife.com...446838a569b8a34e.jpg


The Husky together with a Parker Hale Enfield1858.
 
Posts: 3508 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
I've had them and still have a pile of actions; but 6 weeks to get a permit to own something that, here, is not even considered a firearm?
Not a good thing, to me.
 
Posts: 13926 | Location: USA | Registered: 02 August 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
Yes its unfair the Swedish gov. draws the line for licenses on cartridges with contained pressure so even a pinfire what you cant get cartridges for you needs a firearm license, and also for new made muzzleloaders. The Police are making an unlawful political stance to take at least five weeks to process something they could have computerized. On the other end smugglers got 2,5 years of prison for selling ~200 pistols to criminals.
 
Posts: 3508 | Location: Sweden | Registered: 02 May 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
one of us
posted Hide Post
Good luck with your "new" Swede, Nordic. They sure are fun to shoot.


There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t.
– John Green, author
 
Posts: 14087 | Location: Alamogordo, NM | Registered: 03 June 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata  
 


Copyright December 1997-2021 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia