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.404 jeffery owners unite
06 June 2004, 10:19
fredj338.404 jeffery owners unite
Call &/or e-mail our home grown bullet manuf. & press them for some good bullets. I have contacted Hornady & Speer, others should do the same. They think the cartridge is "obsolete" and there wil be no one to buy their bullets. Let's educate them & maybe get some home grown 325, 350 & 400gr bullets (oh how I wish Nolser would anti up).
06 June 2004, 10:23
OldsargeA 400 gr. .423 Nosler Partition? Oh please, dear God, please! Thump them buffler!!
Fred,
How about listing some email addresses in your post above to make it easy for us procrastinators to get started.
Oldsarge is gonna need a lighter Bonded Ballistic Tip for plains game afar, to go with the Nosler Partition.
06 June 2004, 12:26
fredj338Since we are dreaming here, a 325gr Nosler IB would be a great longer range setup. I would be happy to get a decent, reasonably priced practice 400gr bullet. I'm actually quite happy hunting w/ the 380gr NF.
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http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=2&s2=25&pg=106 June 2004, 15:36
lawndartDo we have enough interested parties to start a twelve step group?
The first step is to admit you are powerless to resist the siren call of the 404 Jeffrey...
07 June 2004, 05:54
AtkinsonHow about getting up a petition to send to Nosler and Hornady? Can that be done on here? and sent to them?
07 June 2004, 06:36
GeorgeSWe can set up a poll, then send the results to the bullet manufacturers.
Sound good?
George
07 June 2004, 07:42
lawndartSounds good to me.
JCN
07 June 2004, 08:49
kristian67Great idea!
07 June 2004, 09:08
<allen day>It sounds like a lot of fuss for nothing, especially when there are plenty of good .416 caliber rifles and cartridges to go around. They will do all that the .404 will do, and then some. Yeah, most of them will kick more, but so what?
For practical purposes, you might as well shoot some sort of wildcat as a .404 Jeffery, and standardized chamber dimensions have NEVER been solidified for that cartridge anyway.
Yeak, I know, I uttered discouraging words, stepped on the cake, wrecked the party, etc.........
AD
Allen:
You are dead wrong there is a CIP spec for the 404 Jeffery.
I just recently got my 404 and boy when it came time to look for bullets I almost fell out of my chair I had no choice with bullets 400gr woodliegh. I wish Nosler anyone would make a economicly priced bullet somewhere in the range of a 350gr to a 380gr that would be nice.
07 June 2004, 13:30
Atkinson323,
Woodleigh, Swift, Rhino, Barnes, ITTC, North Fork Ind.in the USA, GS Customs, and several other bullet makers in RSA
make 404 bullets...North Fork and GS Customs in the weights you asked about...Lots of bullets out there, brass is available from Norma, Horneber from Huntingtons and Old Western Scrounger I believe and a number of wholesale houses like Midway, Graff etc...
07 June 2004, 13:34
AtkinsonAllen,
Us 416 Rem owners may be the ones sporting wildcats and sucking hind tit in the not to distant future, and 404 brass is MORE readily available today than 416 Rem. I'm sorry to say...
I wouldn't put my trust in a company like Remington........
07 June 2004, 14:11
OldsargeQuote:
Allen, I wouldn't put my trust in a company like Remington........
Man, you got that right! This is a bunch that figures that "You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle! And if people want steak instead of sizzle, f*** 'em, we got a profit target to meet. It doesn't matter how you get it, after all you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time and that's enough for us!"
I've got a box of North Forks and now that school is about over, I'm going to work up some loads. They just may come with me to Mozambique in August!
07 June 2004, 17:24
BFaucettQuote:
Poster: allen day
It sounds like a lot of fuss for nothing, especially when there are plenty of good .416 caliber rifles and cartridges to go around. They will do all that the .404 will do, and then some. Yeah, most of them will kick more, but so what?
......<snip>...........
AD
Well, I'd much rather have a rifle that said .404 Jeffery on the barrel than one that said .416 Remington. .404 Jeffery just rolls off the tongue and the name just has class and style. .416 Remington? Nope, it doesn't do anything for me. I do own a .416 Rigby (Ruger M77 Magnum) but I'd still like to have a .404 Jeffery. It's a shame that Ruger flubbed the .404 Jeffery in the No. 1 rifle a few years back. I've always wanted a No. 1 in .404. No, I wouldn't use a single shot for dangerous game (I've never hunted dangerous game), but it would be fun to shoot and hunt with even if only for plains game. Yeah, a lot of my desire is based upon nostalgia but there's nothing wrong with that!
Just my random thoughts....
-Bob F.
07 June 2004, 18:13
fredj338Allen you ARE raining on our parade here my friend. Yes a .416rem will do the same but w/ less style a bit higher pressures. I like my .404 though.
Ray. I checked w/ Horneber & they only make .404 in the summer & do sell thru Huntington, I'll have to give some a try.
07 June 2004, 23:49
Mike375What if it was a Weatherby?
Some simple facts. If the 404 is not done right on the Mauser action then it is a waste of time!!!!
In my opinion....a 404 made on a Model 70, a Montana action or a CZ....is a fuck up.
Mike
Thank God I am doing my .404 on a 1909 argentine !!!
The .416 Rem would be more appealing if it did not have Remington after the .416
08 June 2004, 07:07
lawndartHello,
My name is John Charlie, and my rifle is a fuck-up. It is made out of good metal, feeds fine, and looks good, but it is a fuckup nonetheless. This is a sad day for my rifle.
JCN
08 June 2004, 08:59
D HunterJohn Charlie, Tell your rifle not to fret. People tell me all the time that I am a f--- -p and I still seem to be OK and happy, hold down a professional job and get to hunt Africa once in a while. Tell it to keep on truckin and be happy as it is in good company. Some folks will tell you you are out of style if you don't hunt with an H&H double in 470 nitro express too. Remember why the 404 jeffrey was so widespread in Africa in the olden days was they were the cheapest bolt gun out there that was good for dangerous game. Flawless function is more important. Good hunting. "D"
08 June 2004, 09:18
fredj338Mike375, are all of you Aussies so opinionated? Fuckup, hardly!
08 June 2004, 20:23
lawndartFred,
He's just pissed because Miss Universe is going to come to Hollywood for the money and to spank some Yankee wankee.
JCN
09 June 2004, 09:12
AtkinsonIn all fairness and although I am a dyed in the wool 404 Groupie, the 416 Rem is one of the finest big bore calibers I have ever used and I still have one, wouldn't part with it....I settled the arguement in my mind by owning both...
If you are a practical hunter like Allen, the the 416 Rem is the better route I suspect or equally as good anyway..If you are a bastardized romantic felled with Nostalgia to the gils like myself, then you will probably go with the 404 Jefferys, take your pick...
I have always felt a bit of sorrow for those without the grace of Nostalgia, it adds so much more to the experience of hunting the worlds four corners...
09 June 2004, 12:07
OldsargeQuote:
I have always felt a bit of sorrow for those without the grace of Nostalgia, it adds so much more to the experience of hunting the worlds four corners...
Sing it, Brother Ray, sing it. Those who think hunting is a "sport" are shallow, shallow, shallow. Hunting is ritual, it is communion, it connects us with five hundred generations of our ancestors. To not keep this in mind when stalking, when deciding whether to kill this animal or that one, when standing in silence over a kill is to miss so much of the total experience. Some people ask me if I go through swamp, snow, bugs and bad weather for fun. Nonsense! This isn't "fun", this is Life. All the rest of the time is mere existance. Wa-Hey!
Mike375 has shown us once again that he is either an IDIOT or a TROLL, but pretty poor trolling style, so he must be an IDIOT-TROLL. No finesse in trolling technique at all! Must have been having a bad day.
09 June 2004, 17:21
BFaucettEven with "Jeffery's" on the barrel, that is one fine looking rifle! Pure class. Do I see part of the word "OBERNDORF" under the scope base?
-Bob F.
Bob:
Yes you do and as you know as South Africans we have this thing for Oberndorf Marked Mausers !
This is a strange phenomenon as our cultural and historical background takes us to Mausers that were in fact not Oberndorf made but rather Ludwig Loewe and DWM.
I still have friends who firmly believe that if the action does not say Oberndorf A/N it's no good? never mind if Mauser was in fact owned by DWM at the time.
09 June 2004, 17:55
OldsargeALF,
How about if it's marked ERMA? I've got a barreled action with that and an eagle on it. It appears that some fool put a new front sight on the poor thing and drove the screws clear down into the bore . . . with the predictable result of a bulged and split muzzle. I'm thinking of building a classic "light" in, probably, 7x57. Good idea?
Friend Alf,
I must correct you finally, for once, and absolutely. Ray is right. In fact he is most properly right. Either form is proper, however:
404 Jeffery's Rimless Nitro Express.
404 Jeffery
To simply call it the "404 Jeffery" is to corrupt the name to a modern bastardization in the ammo catalog.
Henceforth, I shall endeavor to be more proper and call it the "404 Jeffery's." After all, he says I am his bastard son, a chip off the ol' block.
But wait, you knew all that, and you just used it as an excuse to show the gold on that Mauser, eh?
BTW, how many cartridges will the box hold? 3, 4, or 5 down?
Cheers for another jolly good show!
Friend Alf,
I am horrified to see Redfield type mounts with a Pilkington lever!!! That is dang cheesy for such a fine rifle!!!
09 June 2004, 19:15
lawndartMore pictures of that custom number please. Myself, brother RIP, and daddy Ray want to see.
Thanks,
JCN
PS RIP is a quarrelsome bastard, I am an agreeable bastard, but we're both bastards. Just ask Ray.
09 June 2004, 19:38
lawndartWhoa, easy there Alf,
We're all proud of you for being a bloody POM and all, and happy that you stick your pinky out when you're slurping down your tea and biscuits and all that; you are of course correct in all the particulars, etc., etc. Now please show some more close-up pictures of your lovely custom
404 Jeffery . Thanks,
JCN
Friend Alf,
O.K., to be thoroughly queenly, we must say "Jeffery's .404 Rimless Nitro Express" or simply ".404 Rimless Nitro Express," by my interpretation of all you have written, as well as perusing the 1912 catalog that I have a copy of, entitled:
Jeffery's Guns, Rifles & General Shooting Accessories (SEASON 1912-1913) I can see nowhere in your writing or the catalog where they use just "Jeffery" in relation to the ".404" unless they are referring to a "Jeffery Mauser" as in
"Jeffery Mauser"
"Jeffery's .404 Mauser"
or even simply "Jeffery's .404 Rifle" or
No. 1 Model, ".404 Jeffery Mauser Action Rifle" or
No. 2 Model, ".404 Jeffery Mauser Best Quality Rifle" or
N0. 3 Model, ".404 Jeffery Mauser Rifle"
So a minor correction:
The most proper: "Jeffery's .404"
That is to be sure that everyone knows it ain't a .404 actual caliber rifle.
A "Jeffery's .404" it must be, as per the Jeffery's marketing nomenclature spin doctors, numerologic choice.
What this means, is that Mike375 was right:
It has to be a Mauser, or it ain't a ".404 Jeffery."
However, the other-actioned/non-Mauser rifles may be properly called "Jeffery's .404" as a designation only of the cartridge they fire.
Horrors!
Why don't we just pretend that either of these are O.K.
"Jeffery's .404" or ".404 Jeffery's."
If you don't concede to this, then Mike375 wins this point of debate.
PS: I don't really care either way. ".404 Jeffery" or even simply "404 Jeffery" without the decimal
is what I prefer.
