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Re: Reproduction Webley Falling Block Action

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18 February 2004, 08:04
jeffeosso
Re: Reproduction Webley Falling Block Action
hmm,
great thought...

better idea...

produce a double rifle action and monoblock... cheap

jeffe
18 February 2004, 11:07
Mauser
May I make a suggestion? You need to go after the "mass" market by making inexpensive reproductions for the Mauser 98, single shot, lever action, double, etc. and one way to do that is to make them out of investment casting so they can be sold under a $1k. This is exactly what MRC is doing with their 1999 models but they still have a long way to go. There is certainly a good market for the Mauser 98, especially in the mini and magnum configurations so if you can produce a good action for under $1k then you will likely to sell quite a few of them. Good luck.


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We are considering building a Falling Block Single Shot Action based upon the 1887 Webley (similar to a Farquarson). To our knowledge there are only a handful of this model Webley left in existance, and we have access to one. Our plan would be to do computer models of the original action, and scale it up/down for specific cartridges. If you have a moment and would be interested in this please visit our website at www.rifleactions.com, and click on Customer Surveys and respond to Survey #3. Thank you in advance for your time.

Karl
karl@rifleactions.com
www.rifleactions.com


18 February 2004, 11:48
WaffenfabrikHein
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May I make a suggestion? You need to go after the "mass" market by making inexpensive reproductions for the Mauser 98, single shot, lever action, double, etc. and one way to do that is to make them out of investment casting so they can be sold under a $1k. This is exactly what MRC is doing with their 1999 models but they still have a long way to go. There is certainly a good market for the Mauser 98, especially in the mini and magnum configurations so if you can produce a good action for under $1k then you will likely to sell quite a few of them. Good luck.






Thanks for the tip, but I just want to point out, we are not wanting to go after the mass markets. There are many other companies producing lower cost actions and rifles. We choose not to produce cast actions as we feel there is a market for the quality and performance levels that can only be achieved by machining processes. We do recognize that not everyone can afford what we produce, it would be nice if we could produce a fully machined action that could compete with the cast actions in price. But on the otherhand some individuals believe that the cast actions can not compete with the machined actions on quality. MRC and others do a fantastic job serving there market, we just are not in that same market.

Regards,
Karl
karl@rifleactions.com
www.rifleactions.com
18 February 2004, 14:41
fla3006
Even so, there's still only so much demand for very high quality (high cost) actions. Someone mentioned that Searcy has sold little or no Farqs at $3500, Hagn sells only a few at around $2500, not many Vektors are sold (at around $2200), and I recently was unable to put together a quantity order for 20 Johannssen magnum Mauser actions at around $2500 each after contacting a number of high-end gunsmiths.
18 February 2004, 14:57
TC1
Anybody got a picture of one of these actions or a link? I'm not in the market for one as I'm sure it's out of price range, but I'd like to see what your talking about.

Thanks,
Terry
19 February 2004, 02:30
Mauser
Well it would be nice to be able to produce a machined action at a resonable price...Investment casted actions if done right (secondary machining & polishing, etc.) will just be as good as anything else and very few people will be able to tell if they were machined or casted. It sounds to me like the cast vs. machined is more of a pyschological issue than a quality issue.

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Thanks for the tip, but I just want to point out, we are not wanting to go after the mass markets. There are many other companies producing lower cost actions and rifles. We choose not to produce cast actions as we feel there is a market for the quality and performance levels that can only be achieved by machining processes. We do recognize that not everyone can afford what we produce, it would be nice if we could produce a fully machined action that could compete with the cast actions in price. But on the otherhand some individuals believe that the cast actions can not compete with the machined actions on quality. MRC and others do a fantastic job serving there market, we just are not in that same market.

Regards,
Karl
karl@rifleactions.com
www.rifleactions.com


19 February 2004, 05:57
martinibelgian
The Webley is quite nice - but as with any well-designed SS action, I really don't see the need to machine them completely. Even the original, soft actions will hold up quite well because of good design. If anyone is interested, I know of a Field repro falling block, made in modern steels, for sale for about 850 US. About what I would be willing to pay for a nice SS action. By the way, the Webley is better than the Farq - and so is the Fraser. The firing pin is the weak point on the Farquharson, together with the buttstock fastening. Actually, the Ruger #1 is a modern Farq rendering - and probably better than the original.