416 Taylor and 375 Taylor (375-338 Win) request

13 April 2005, 21:08

the_captain

I've been hearing much talk about these cartridges lately, and I'd like to see one of each close up. Would someone who shoots one or both of these be willing to make me up a dummy round (use the bullet of your choice) on a fully fire-formed case? I'd be happy to pay for components/shipping/etc. Please PM me for further info. I know a few here are using, or have used, these two, so hopefully we can work out a deal.

I've got this Mauser action here that I haven't decided what to do with yet, and one of these sounds interesting. Let's not make a new discussion about these vs. factory cartridges. I'm interested in these two, and would like to have dummies of each for inspection. Thanks a bunch!

13 April 2005, 22:02

Sabot

Just take a 338 Win Mag case and seat a 300 gr Sierra to COL 3.34 and you have a 375 Taylor. This bullet is tapered enough to seat directly into the 338 case without neck expansion.

13 April 2005, 23:10

the_captain

Sabot-
This I would do if I had any 300 gr Sierras and a 375 seater die of some sort. I have neither, and don't want to buy anything until I decide between the two. No sense buying a box of 375 bullets if I were to go with the 416 (and vice versa). I could buy ready formed 416 Taylor brass and possibly seat a bullet using my 45-70 dies, but there again, I would have to buy full sets of brass and bullets in order to put together one round. thanks, though

14 April 2005, 00:20

MuskegMan

Cap'n - sent you a PM. I can supply you a 375-338 specimen. 3 bullet choices.

MM

14 April 2005, 01:00

the_captain

Muskeg- return PM sent...

14 April 2005, 01:08

Atkinson

I just cannot understand why one would go with a Taylor when you can do a 416 Rem, 375 H&H on the same action with just a little more work that is very inexpensive, and have a factory round that operates at less pressure for the same velocity or more velocity at the same pressure levels...

14 April 2005, 01:39

p dog shooter

Ray I thought we have been through all this on the 416Rem vs 416 taylor thread.

14 April 2005, 01:47

Niels

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I just cannot understand why one would go with a Taylor when you can do a 416 Rem, 375 H&H on the same action with just a little more work that is very inexpensive, and have a factory round that operates at less pressure for the same velocity or more velocity at the same pressure levels...

14 April 2005, 01:51

Niels

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I just cannot understand why one would go with a Taylor when you can do a 416 Rem, 375 H&H on the same action with just a little more work that is very inexpensive, and have a factory round that operates at less pressure for the same velocity or more velocity at the same pressure levels...

I see your point, a 375 H&H is hard to beat, but the 375Taylor fit in a standard action doesn't it? So if I allready had a larger caliber and wanted a somewhat smaller to hunt large plainsgame with, then that would be one way to go right. I once thought about getting a 375 dakota or 375 Taylor for that reason and for a particular rifle, but then found out that an old fashioned Mauser controlled feed action was better.

14 April 2005, 14:35

deciple-of-keith

ON THE EIGHTH DAY GOD CREATED THE 375H&H HE RESTED THEN SHOT IT & SAID IT IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.In other words need I say more?????????

14 April 2005, 18:40

NBHunter

Captian,
Don't you hate it when you ask a simple question and state that you're not interested in the argument over what works better, yet people still feel they have to crap on your choices.

I have a 416 Taylor but am waiting on delivery of bullets and the only thing I have right now are paper patched ones. If nobody sends you a dummy round by the time I get some jacketed bullets I'll send you one.

14 April 2005, 19:16

Frank Martinez

Please send me your mailing information.
Frank

14 April 2005, 19:16

the_captain

Ray, et al...

I don't want to make this thread into a repeat of the other one. If I look into the costs of each step of the process of converting this rifle, the factors point me towards NOT trying to shoehorn a magnum length cartridge into this rifle. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I see no point in doing it. It would be cheaper to buy a true magnum action and build a 416 Rem or 375 H&H on it (or just buy a factory rifle).

I see no need to mess with a new mag box, reinletting the stock, and opening up the action. This rifle will never see Africa - that is not what it is intended for. It'll be used locally for deer/hogs/maybe bear). Right away when someone mentions something over .358 bore, it is assumed that it is headed for a foreign country. What if I like to shoot big bores for no other reason than the big holes they make? I can get a 416 Taylor put together for <$300 - that will be significantly cheaper than any 416 Rem, etc.

This is my reasoning and I'm sticking to it. When I DO go to Africa, it will be with a Ruger or CZ in 375 H&H or 416 Rigby. I fully understand about the perceived 'limitations' of what were once wildcat cartridges. For my needs, there is no limitation. If I need to, I can order factory ammo for the 416 Taylor just as easily as any other big bore chambering.

So, naysayers - begone... Thanks for the offers of dummy rounds, everyone else.

15 April 2005, 01:02

sambubba

Ray, have you ever thought it might be just because they want one(me included).

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I just cannot understand why one would go with a Taylor when you can do a 416 Rem, 375 H&H on the same action with just a little more work that is very inexpensive, and have a factory round that operates at less pressure for the same velocity or more velocity at the same pressure levels...

15 April 2005, 03:08

NBHunter

sambubba,
Amen to that!!

15 April 2005, 04:48

Dungbeetle

quote:
Sabot-
This I would do if I had any 300 gr Sierras and a 375 seater die of some sort. I have neither, and don't want to buy anything until I decide between the two. No sense buying a box of 375 bullets if I were to go with the 416 (and vice versa). I could buy ready formed 416 Taylor brass and possibly seat a bullet using my 45-70 dies, but there again, I would have to buy full sets of brass and bullets in order to put together one round. thanks, though

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Captain, just a thought and suggestion. The good folks at Northfork bullets

www.northforkbullets.com

will send you a "5 bullet pack" of each (whichever or both calibers). That way you can test the feed of each bullet. Especially important if you wanted to shoot their 'cup points' in either caliber. It wont break the bank and you could make a podnah real happy by giving him what you dont use.

Ray may can advise further on this as he's run the gamut on Northfork
Dungbeetle