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Originally posted by eurocentric:
Met a CZ salesman friday afternoon, he gave me a long rundown of the new goodies from CZ for 2009. some of the goodies are: 416 Taylor, regular stock or the customized build 9around $1300) this is similar to the 375 H&H offering.
416 AND 375 Ruger Rifles. 416 Taylor, 416 Rem, 416 Rigby and 9.3x64, among others. All calibers will be customizable. I'll be receiving an advance copy of their 2009 catalog in a week or 2.
They use A-Square for some of the specs. Good stuff.
Cheers.

I'd think the 416 taylor and rem would be the best offer along with the 9.3.
I know the Rem 416 is considered new as old, but no one offers it but remington. The new 416 ruger will appeal to some but not all because it's in suck a light weight rfle. I can see the 416 taylor selling just as many as the remington because of handiness, and the 9.3 will sell some because the 62 does it, but the 64 is very un heard of in the us compared to population. that 9.3x64 is tempting along with the 416 taylor and Remington. even the ruger is tempting. It just depends on weather you want a light weight kicker for hunting only, or a 416 you can practice with just as much.
I'm very glad to hear the new chamberings offered by CZ. It may just cause me to buy another rifle.

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Originally posted by capoward:

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Originally posted by husky:
Concerning .416 Taylor ammunition;

As i understand it, Norma will CIP a version of .416 Taylor that fits most of all the different .416 Taylor´s chamberings that are around to day. so at last, there will be ONE .416 Taylor that is CIP.

Actually there should be one .416 Taylor cartridge that is CIP certified…that being A-Square’s original SAAMI submission for the .416 Taylor. I can’t imagine that CIP would generate a new .416 Taylor specification that is different from the SAAMI specification for the .416 Taylor. However, if SAAMI never certified A-Square’s .416 Taylor specification then a certified specification doesn’t exist and whatever CIP certifies and publishes will henceforth be the .416 Taylor specification.

To the best of my recollection - according to the .416 Taylor website - A-Square originally correctly spec’ed the SAAMI submission utilizing the .458 WinMag parent case, as was done when the .416 Chatfield-Taylor was first developed, and then A-Square began manufacturing ammunition which used the .338 WinMag case as the parent case thereby causing the incompatibility (the .458 WinMag derivative being slightly longer than the .338 WinMag derivative).

Norma will be required to manufacture the .416 Taylor to the current SAAMI specification if it exists or to the forthcoming CIP specification.

Oh well….the circle continues to turn.

I believe that it is Norma that will make the CIP spec and then CIP will approve it. There are some good guys working with it, so i hope that they will not mess things up

I too would be interested in Ceska at a Remington 416 caliber Magnum Do you know if it is manufactured in this cartridge?, What price is if the answer is yes?

Thank you,

Oscar.

In the Magnum Express line: either in plain config or custom. A customized rifle from their shop: Fancy wood, two crossbolts, express sights, etc.. will be about $1300-1500 US Pesos

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Originally posted by ovny:
I too would be interested in Ceska at a Remington 416 caliber Magnum Do you know if it is manufactured in this cartridge?, What price is if the answer is yes?

Thank you,

Oscar.

Building a .416 Taylor when the .416b Ruger is coming out makes absolutely no sense at all IMO.

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Originally posted by eurocentric:
In the Magnum Express line: either in plain config or custom. A customized rifle from their shop: Fancy wood, two crossbolts, express sights, etc.. will be about $1300-1500 US Pesos

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Originally posted by ovny:
I too would be interested in Ceska at a Remington 416 caliber Magnum Do you know if it is manufactured in this cartridge?, What price is if the answer is yes?

Thank you,

Oscar.

You customize rifles?, The problem is that I live in Spain I spent a lot of money on import duties and bringing a weapon carries a lot of bureaucracy, taking into account that it is authorized dealer but you're a professional.

A greeting,

Oscar.

Oscar,

CZ "USA" imports bare rifle actions (rifle receiver and bolt only) and then builds them into complete rifiles in their (CZ USA) custom shop.

As mentioned, the CZ USA Custom shop will build a rifle for the customer that is basically a slightly modified stock product offering to a complete custom rifle.

I spoke with the CZ custom shop and learned that a complete rifle imported from Europe is a few hundred dollars (about 300 Euro's) cheaper because it is imported as a complete rifle with the barrel and stock.

If you really want a 416 Remington, it should be easy for the factory to make one since they have the unchambered barrels in the 416 bore size and all the other parts needed are standard stock items too. The only thing the factory may not have is the chamber reamer in 416 Remington. Is it possible for you or your local dealer to provide a chamber reamer to the factory and build a stock rifle in 416 Remington?

Best Regards,
Sid

Its a caliber thats been requested often at CZ.

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Originally posted by jstevens:
Building a .416 Taylor when the .416b Ruger is coming out makes absolutely no sense at all IMO.

I imagine most were requested before the .375 and .416 Ruger were announced. It just makes no sense to build a wildcat round, when there is a better factory round available.

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Originally posted by Sid Post:
Oscar,

CZ "USA" imports bare rifle actions (rifle receiver and bolt only) and then builds them into complete rifiles in their (CZ USA) custom shop.

As mentioned, the CZ USA Custom shop will build a rifle for the customer that is basically a slightly modified stock product offering to a complete custom rifle.

I spoke with the CZ custom shop and learned that a complete rifle imported from Europe is a few hundred dollars (about 300 Euro's) cheaper because it is imported as a complete rifle with the barrel and stock.

If you really want a 416 Remington, it should be easy for the factory to make one since they have the unchambered barrels in the 416 bore size and all the other parts needed are standard stock items too. The only thing the factory may not have is the chamber reamer in 416 Remington. Is it possible for you or your local dealer to provide a chamber reamer to the factory and build a stock rifle in 416 Remington?

Best Regards,
Sid

Thanks, I'll try to contact the vendor of Cz in Spain and seeing that price I can buy one of these rifles in caliber 416 Remington Magnum, although I'm always tempted by the large 458 Lott.

Greetings,

Oscar.

The Ruger chamberings make a lot of sense to me. The Taylor does not, just go with a Ruger if you want a 416.

Is the 9.3x64 a typo? While it doesn't make too much sense to me for CZ to start chambering it. Just go with a 375 Ruger and be done with it.

I am very excited as I own two 9.3 x 64 Brenneke's and hopefully it make supplies a little easier to acquire here in the US.

It is, its actually a 9.3x62.

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Originally posted by SDhunter:
The Ruger chamberings make a lot of sense to me. The Taylor does not, just go with a Ruger if you want a 416.

Is the 9.3x64 a typo? While it doesn't make too much sense to me for CZ to start chambering it. Just go with a 375 Ruger and be done with it.

I am very excited as I own two 9.3 x 64 Brenneke's and hopefully it make supplies a little easier to acquire here in the US.

They already make a 9.3x62, right? If that is true, then "new CZ chamberings for 2009" cannot include the 9.3x62 since it already exists. "New"
chambering may very well(crossing my fingers) mean 9.3x64.... It will make a lot of sense for them to add this caliber since it is a true classic that has been forgotten for too long by too many manufacturers. Late for sure but nonetheless a welcomed addition! I want an 8x68S too!

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It is, its actually a 9.3x62.

That is what I was afraid of. Oh darn, on to chasing down more Brenneke brass.

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Originally posted by jstevens:
Building a .416 Taylor when the .416b Ruger is coming out makes absolutely no sense at all IMO.

Same sense as them chambering a short and long version of 2 other calibers....they make the 458 Win and Lott, and 375 Ruger and H&H.

edit - sorry i thought that 416 Rem and Taylor, not Ruger and Taylor. Still, why not offer it? Now you can have 4 choices in 416, from Taylor on the bottom end (easy to reload for, cheap available, readily made brass) the Rem, Ruger and Rigby.

Great news!!....we need new toys right guys

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Originally posted by ovny:

Thanks, I'll try to contact the vendor of Cz in Spain and seeing that price I can buy one of these rifles in caliber 416 Remington Magnum, although I'm always tempted by the large 458 Lott.

Greetings,

Oscar.

With your 375 H&H, caliber choice really depends on what you want the other rifle for. If you want a dedicated African Safari Dangerous Game Rifle (DGR) for range days, I think the 458 Lott is probably your best option. For hunting in Europe, the 458 Lott is more rifle then you need and a 416 Remington, 416 Rigby, or 404 Jeffery make more sense for tough game animals. The 416 Rigby caliber would still give you a rifle with DGR appeal that would be more appropriate for the tougher animals in Europe. Even with 458 Winchester Magnum ammunition, the 458 Lott would be best only if you hunted outside of Europe. The 416's could be used on some of the heavier game animals you can hunt in Europe and would be a great rifle in Russia or for African Plains game. If you can afford a DGR Safari in Africa, the cost of a stock CZ rifle probably isn't the primary concern so, the 458 Lott purchase could wait until you win the "lotto" and start booking multiple DGR hunts in Africa!

Ammunition cost only becomes a factor when you shoot the rifle a lot for target practice. A single box of ammunition will last an average hunter for several hunts. I've had acquaintances that hunted deer and used less then one 20 round box per year.

I used to focus on low cost ammunition because I shot a lot of rounds on a routine basis (target practice several times a month). When I started looking to book a guided hunt, I quickly realized that in my case $100 or $200 for ammunition was not a significant obstacle to booking the hunt so I began focusing on picking a better cartridge independent of ammunition cost.

Best Regards,
Sid

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With your 375 H&H, caliber choice really depends on what you want the other rifle for. If you want a dedicated African Safari Dangerous Game Rifle (DGR) for range days, I think the 458 Lott is probably your best option. For hunting in Europe, the 458 Lott is more rifle then you need and a 416 Remington, 416 Rigby, or 404 Jeffery make more sense for tough game animals. The 416 Rigby caliber would still give you a rifle with DGR appeal that would be more appropriate for the tougher animals in Europe. Even with 458 Winchester Magnum ammunition, the 458 Lott would be best only if you hunted outside of Europe. The 416's could be used on some of the heavier game animals you can hunt in Europe and would be a great rifle in Russia or for African Plains game. If you can afford a DGR Safari in Africa, the cost of a stock CZ rifle probably isn't the primary concern so, the 458 Lott purchase could wait until you win the "lotto" and start booking multiple DGR hunts in Africa!

Ammunition cost only becomes a factor when you shoot the rifle a lot for target practice. A single box of ammunition will last an average hunter for several hunts. I've had acquaintances that hunted deer and used less then one 20 round box per year.

I used to focus on low cost ammunition because I shot a lot of rounds on a routine basis (target practice several times a month). When I started looking to book a guided hunt, I quickly realized that in my case $100 or $200 for ammunition was not a significant obstacle to booking the hunt so I began focusing on picking a better cartridge independent of ammunition cost.

Best Regards,
Sid

Sid, I want a whim, so I buy a 458 Lott, but I enjoy reading the comments that you make on this forum and I also wonder to see and hear the results that you get with the cartridges that I like (416 Rigby , 416 RM, 404 Jeffery etc ...). I hope it will not be disturbed by my insistence. Sid Thanks for your answers, always enriching.

A greeting and Happy New Year

Oscar.

I would love to see Ruger do the .404 Jeffery in their No.1 as well. Maybe they wont screw it up like the original run they had a few years ago.

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I would love to see Ruger do the .404 Jeffery in their No.1 as well. Maybe they wont screw it up like the original run they had a few years ago.

I think the Ruger No. 1 is an excellent choice. I too am always liked this rifle, as well as manufactured at 458 Lott. It is very interesting Jeje.

Oscar.

Got the Jan 2009 Sports Afield from a mate today, the CZ ad in there made for interesting reading.
Safari Classic Express rifles in.
425 WR
416 Ruger
416 Taylor
375 Ruger
9.3x6
338 Win Mag
300 Ultra Mag
300 H&H
30-06
270 Win

Magnum Express Rifles in
505 Gibbs
500 Jeffery
458 Lott
450 Rigby
416 Rigby
404 jeffery
375 H&H
338 Lapua

I like the idea of the standard action for the shorter rounds, looks like the 458 Win is off the menu though, al least in this model if the CZ550.
Steve

Good ejector spring on the CZ-poor on the Ruger bolt action.I hope the new CZ's come with a stiffer follower spring and not a weak one that dips forward or rearward with a full magazine.I bought a couple from AHR,for my Lott but don't have them installed yet.I will mail them to the gunsmith who is building my custom rifle on a CZ action.

I would certainly be interested if they offered the 8x68, but the 416 Taylor is tempting.

tasso

Gander Mountain is selling the complete 416 Rigby rifle for 999. For basically an extra 300$ you'd at least get stock and site you could take off and put on the 450.

Is there any further news on this?

Thanks
Warrior

Oscar I don't know how. What ever they have to do this I don't have.