The Great .404, by DagaRon

07 August 2003, 11:59

Mickey1

quote:
Originally posted by DagaRon:
Erik,
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Remember the Chadwick Ram? The stone sheep that is the "greatest North American trophy of all time?" It was taken with a 300 grain 404 Jeffery load, by Mr. Chadwick who thought the 404 was an excellent sheep and bear rifle.

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Is RottenRon coming over to the Light?

May the Force be with you Young Master Ron.

07 August 2003, 17:14

RIP

Mickey,
I try every now and then to let the 404 Jeffery into my heart. Maybe when I get old and infirm of mind and body, I will come to appreciate the "Lady's Rifle." While I am still virile, vigorous, and potent, I will stick with the .416 Rigby for my combination sheep and elephant rifle. The one rifle battery of the knowledgeable "world hunter" ... .416 Rigby.

08 August 2003, 15:41

Mickey1

Ron

I think that eventually you will come to see the error in your judgement. Soon you will become tired of carrying and shooting those overweight and awkward cannons in 416 Rigby. The four door station wagon if you will and pick up the sleek sportscar, the cartridge Rigby wanted to be but couldn't.

Over a pound lighter, 2 inches shorter, larger diameter bullet, same velocity and less felt recoil. What is their not to love?

09 August 2003, 01:36

fla3006

I think it was Elmer Keith who referred to the 7mm Mag as "an excellent pest rifle".

09 August 2003, 01:53

<Rusty>

The reason I don't have a rifle in 416 Rigby is the recoil. I, like DagaRon have gotten recoil sensitive in my old age (57).

Having said that, I'm looking forward to, once the actions are cast, having 404 Jeffery on Montana's PH series frame and a Lothar Heavy Magnum Sporter contour barrel. It is being made as an iron sight rifle.

Hopefully I won't be too many years older when it gets into my hands. [Big Grin]

09 August 2003, 02:51

<Paleohunter>

OK heres a ? I have no dought that the ol 404 is a great round hell if Ray likes its good enough for me. However why is the 404 not more popular? There is the 416 Rigby that is factory loaded as well as the 470 NE by Fed and a few others. CZ, Win, Rem, and Ruger all chamber a 416 at one time or another, Ruger started to chamber the 404 in their No1 and express rifle and then for some reason stoped. So whats the story?? Why cant I buy Federal 404 to put into a CZ550 if the 404 is that good (and I belive it is)??

09 August 2003, 03:29

jeffeosso

only problem with the 404 is the bore is too small... and a doubel rifle shouldn't be chambered in 404...

<got ya>
jeffe

09 August 2003, 03:47

D Humbarger

Jeff i'm missing somthing here... Too small for what? [Confused]

09 August 2003, 04:07

jeffeosso

for being called a 500 jeffe, that's what!!

[Big Grin]

09 August 2003, 05:18

Oldsarge

Paleohunter,
Do you believe in marketing? The .416 became famous because Ruark wrote about his PH having one. The .404 was more of a working stiff's rifle, kind of like a Ford pickup versus a Hummer. I own a F150, Ah-nuld owns a Hummer. Which gets more airtime? Are you building a rifle to puff over or to go hunting with? Choice A is a .416 Rigby, Choice B is a .404.

.404-owning

09 August 2003, 12:16

Atkinson

Well Daga Daga Doo,
Like the famous or infamous whichever the case may be, Kobe Kobe, you have allowed your lower organs to guide your brain and that happens to young men, but time will ease your course and life will become better and you can concentrate on the correct things in life...

But you ain't gonna like it to start with!! [Big Grin]

But the 404 will ease your pain and anguish..The head butting on the door frame will soon go away and you will start wearing boxer shorts...Life is a bitch and then you die...Have a good day.

09 August 2003, 23:39

<Rusty>

Ray,
When I used that statement in front of my daughter several yeras ago, she corrected me, now I need to correct you. Life is not a bitch.
LIFE IS A VIRGIN! A BITCH IS TOO EASY! [Eek!]

Now ya know the truth of the matter!

Rusty
We band of brothers!

10 August 2003, 04:11

<JOHAN>

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
only problem with the 404 is the bore is too small... and a doubel rifle shouldn't be chambered in 404...

<got ya>
jeffe

WHAT? this is an decleration of war. Besides I have to agree that it's much better to camber a double in 400 Jeffery, I guess some of you know it as 450/400 NE 3 inch. [Big Grin]

It hasn't to do with big bullets that is light for the caliber. 50 calibers around 500 grains has not and great SD. A bullet in 404, 416 or 400 that is heavy for the caliber has good penetration. Not to mention the 500-550 grainers i 458 [Eek!]

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/ JOHAN

[ 08-09-2003, 22:40: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

10 August 2003, 06:07

Atkinson

Jeffe & Johan,
Now that sounds like an English gun making firm, cool!...I have always wanted a 404/400 Jeffe & Johan!! now I think we got it [Wink]

The difficulties of a 4 diget figure have surfaced and world war 111 has begun, God save the Queen [Wink]

10 August 2003, 06:43

D Humbarger

ROFLMAO

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10 August 2003, 07:09

<JOHAN>

Atkinson

What are you drinking today [Big Grin]

The good old 400 Jeffery or 10,75X76R is an interesting round. For all of you big bore geeks Major Powell Cotton shoot the biggest Elephant trophy with a double rifle in 400 Jeffery.

Sorry, but I think that Aktinson & Sons would be much better. or Atkinson & Humbarger as gun maker name [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN

[ 08-15-2003, 19:15: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

10 August 2003, 14:10

KurtC

Paleohunter,

The .404 Jeffery has been plagued by confusion since the day in was created.

Continental rifles call it the 10,75x73 and use a .423 bullet.

British rifles call it a .404 Rimless NE and use a bullet somewhere between .412 and .423.

Jeffery calls it after themselves.

Mauser swears that you need a magnum length action for all .375 H&H size cartridges.

Jeffery swears that you can stuff into a standard 98.

Most Americans refuse to shoot anything that doesn't wear a belt or have the word "magnum" in it"s name.

Few gunwriters or professional hunters have been paid enough to promote it.

Ruger has been the only Post-War company to actively pursue marketing rifles in this chambering. They ran into the above problems and dropped the idea. With todays methods of international communication and commerce, it seems that all of these little discrepancies could be standardized, and the shooting public coult then enjoy what is perhaps the "perfect" cartridge. I doubt it will ever happen. [Big Grin]

10 August 2003, 14:27

Atkinson

Kurt,
Don't forget all Custom Rifle builders make a perfect rifle that will shoot 1/2", feed everytime...

11 August 2003, 05:22

RIP

Ray,
You get funnier by the year. I was hoping you might respond to that. Yanked your chain again! [Big Grin]

11 August 2003, 05:25

RIP

Rusty,
Whoa up there Hoss! I'm not over the hill yet! I am not a 404 Jeffery shooter yet! I dig the .416 Rigby.

15 August 2003, 07:31

Atkinson

Johan,
10.76x76 MM is not a rifle caliber, it's a Coney Island foot long hotdog....I would have thought you knew that! [Razz]

16 August 2003, 04:14

<JOHAN>

Atkinson

Wrong, it's an caliber. It's not for those who have been on loony Island were you are from [Big Grin]

Actually this caliber uses 411' bullets for some damn reason. 10,75X76R

/ JOHAN

[ 08-16-2003, 17:44: Message edited by: JOHAN ]