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Interesting Double
21 April 2004, 01:37
Bad Ass WallaceInteresting Double
Just when you thought you had seen it all, along comes a double barrelled falling block. I think it is a 450NE No2? Perhaps Ruger could be interested?
21 April 2004, 01:40
p dog shooterLooks pertty simple with modern manufactureing one should be able to do it for a fair price.
21 April 2004, 05:34
Mickey1Is it yours? How does it shoot? What maker? Very interesting and unique.
21 April 2004, 05:48
JohnTheGreekI'll take one in 9,3x74R and 470NE but we must do something about those forearm and trigger guard designs. YUCK!
JMHO,
JohnTheGreek
21 April 2004, 06:08
GonHuntinWhat would the advantages and disavantages be when compared to a conventional break open double???
21 April 2004, 06:19
maxmanNow there's something cool! That's the good stuff. Looks like it might be a bit slower to reload than a traditional break-open double, but that may not be a concern. I'm assuming that it has a real ejector rather than just extractors - there might be another point for those who want a really quiet double to work in close. I wonder how hard this would be to make and regulate? With modern materials, it should be stronger than the break open double as well. It should be child's play for Ruger to get this one rolling - if they can be made to listen..... maxman
21 April 2004, 06:35
DPhillipsI believe Martin Hagn built a falling block double on one of his custom actions. Looked like large version of his singleshot rifles.
21 April 2004, 07:57
jeffeossoi HOPE this is nothing more than a 450 bpe...
interesting gun, none the less
jeffe
21 April 2004, 08:15
<JOHAN>Gentlemen
Martin Hagn made a few take down doubles on falling block action
What is the make and caliber?
Cheers
/ JOHAN
21 April 2004, 08:34
mt AlBad Ass,
More info, vile tempter!! Where? When? Who's? etc.
Hagen did build some falling block doubles as seen in an older Double Gun Journal (I think the were Hagen). Very cool. The writer was a bit cheesy in his comparison with conventional double rifles, refering to them as "barn door" doubles, trying to make a comparison that double rifle "hinges" were terribly weak. While the hinge is not an asset perse and cost a ton, they aren't weak. However, the inclusion of the hinge creates the need to manufacture and fit all of the other locking devices and cross bolts, the Kirsten being the most extreme example.
The falling block action would seem to be a bit longer, depending on the length of the block is in comparision to the standing face on a regular double.
In my opinion the benefit would be in the simplicity of design and less costly manufacturing by avoiding manufacturing the hinge and subsequent fitting thereof. When Shilo takes their actions out of the molds they push a broach through the cavity and, quick as a wink, its ready for the block. I suppose Ruger does a similar process with the #1.
That's very cool Bad Ass, thanks for sharing.
21 April 2004, 10:02
tontothats real cool! I see 2 triggers is the back one a "set" trigger not the second barrel? The trigger guard is way ugly!
dean
21 April 2004, 18:04
Bad Ass WallaceNo, I don't own it but it is for sale
Now that ya'll drooling and spluttering like yer got some contagious affliction, I'll put ya out of yer misery
http://www.micksguns.com/antique%20guns.htm22 April 2004, 16:32
416SWThis looks interesting
23 April 2004, 05:49
maxmanwow - only 2000 pounds. I would have figured more for such a rifle. This guy appears to have several interesting old doubles at pretty realistic prices. Excluding import hassles to the US, of course. Not that I have ever tried it, but any time you have to personally deal with the gov't it usually isn't fun.
On another note, I see that there are a few kinds of 450/577 Martini Henry rifles being imported now - found in storage in Nepal, IIRC. Does anyone happen to have first-hand knowledge of these rifles? If you get a sound example would it be safe to shoot using BP loads? I know really nothing about the rifles or cartridges, but they look very interesting.
24 April 2004, 03:18
<eldeguello>I have seen a couple of such contraptionsd of recent manufacture, but none of them seemed as simple, light and handy as yours! The design appears superb!
24 April 2004, 03:53
<eldeguello>Quote:
I'll take one in 9,3x74R and 470NE but we must do something about those forearm and trigger guard designs. YUCK!
I think a Ruger No. 1 triggerguard/lever design could be used.
JMHO,
JohnTheGreek
24 April 2004, 05:22
BrentIt would be a crime to convert this rifle to anything else. It is, perhaps, completely unique and a brilliantly done piece of work. Yes, some parts seem unnecessarily ugly, but if you must hack something hack a bolt rifle, not something that may very well be one of a kind.
That lever system may not be so simple anyway. It has a latch on the back and how and what that activates is anyone's guess.
Whoever made it shows a good deal if ingenuity. Yet, seeing it shoot would be it's ultimate test.
Brent
There also seems to be a barrel selector on top of the tang, where a safety would be today! That would be consistant with the single trigger!
