Whitworth 375H&H ??

01 October 2005, 20:58

cats

Whitworth 375H&H ??

I found a 375H&H Whitworth barrel stamped both Inertarms/Virginia and Manchester/England it has the folding rear sights and just a few little dings at a local gun shop ..the owner says he bought it as part of an estate settlement.It has seen some use but in overall condition i'd say it is 90%
He's asking $650 for it ..is this in the fair price range for this gun? I am looking for a 375H&H for my son whom will use it on moose/brown bears.

01 October 2005, 21:07

GeorgeS

That's about $150-200 more than it's worth around here.

Beat him down on the price; I doubt there is much of a market in your neck of the woods for it.

George

01 October 2005, 21:31

invader66

Depending on the stock,original etc, I see them
for $400-$550. I paid 5 including shipping. I like the rifle alot.
Gene

01 October 2005, 21:31

cats

George we've had our differences in the past but I thank you for your honest an speedy reply. He won't drop down to $550, an I think for that close to the price of a new CZ 550 American Safari in 375 H&H that may be the way to go ( it's a b'day present from father to son) thanks Terry AKA Cats

01 October 2005, 22:26

fla3006

Any Whitworth in decent original shape will easily bring $500, closer to $600 or more, just check the various sites (gunbroker, auctionarms, gunsamerica, etc.).

01 October 2005, 22:55

Geronomo

I agree. The Whitworth has sort of gained a "cult" following in the past two or three years. Very desireable of late. They seem to be going in the $600-$800 range lately on the auction sites.

Geronimo

02 October 2005, 02:20

cats

GeorgeS "my neck of the woods" is only about 80 miles from your neck of the woods

02 October 2005, 03:16

Paolo9,5x73

The "book value" is about 500USD, but
one has to realize it's a light weight "classic-looking" .375H&H made on a Zastava MAUSER action. He knows he can move this piece for 650, therefore, there is no incentive for him to cut that price down.

02 October 2005, 03:20

KWard

I bought one of them at pachmayers in Los Angeles in 1984. It has been a great rifle and well worth the price he's asking. I have seen them out here for 600-700 lately and get harder to find.

02 October 2005, 03:31

Atkinson

Whitworths in mint condition are selling for $800 to $900 as fast as you can list them..I sold two in the gunlist for that plus postage a few months ago and one on AR for the same...

They have taken a jump in value this last year and I don't wonder, what with the quality control of the stuff the factories are putting out today.

02 October 2005, 03:33

schromf

quote:
Inertarms/Virginia and Manchester/England

Minor Hijack, not worth starting a new thread for:

What is the relationship of these? The actions were Zastava's, right got that part. I just bought a new one of these actions, and the only part I can figure out that could have a England link was the box, or maybe the printed materail inside it. Were the complete rifles made in England? Anybody got the skinny on this?

02 October 2005, 03:46

invader66

cats
In fairness, mine came with a cheap B&C stock.
fla3006 told me I was getting a good deal and knows this stuff better than me.
Gene

02 October 2005, 03:50

RIP

FWIW, the "Whitworth Express Rifle" in .458 WinMag does not have the action lengthened to .375 H&H length, in the pristine specimen I have, so it would be a better buy. Stronger. Not H&H length, but stronger. Alf has convinced me that lengthening an M98 length action is a NO-NO.

02 October 2005, 04:45

Paolo9,5x73

Manchester, England? Some of those early 'ZCZ' guns were quite rough, so some were sent to England for "cosmetic enhancing". Those making direct trip from "Serbia" to US after say ca 1980 are quite good. All are Kraguyevac pieces.
Yep, that .458 'Whitworth' is nice after "soldering on" couple pounds.

02 October 2005, 05:48

ElCaballero

quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
FWIW, the "Whitworth Express Rifle" in .458 WinMag does not have the action lengthened to .375 H&H length, in the pristine specimen I have, so it would be a better buy. Stronger. Not H&H length, but stronger. Alf has convinced me that lengthening an M98 length action is a NO-NO.

I thought all you had to do was lengthen the mag box?

02 October 2005, 10:06

RIP

quote:
Originally posted by ElCaballero:
quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
FWIW, the "Whitworth Express Rifle" in .458 WinMag does not have the action lengthened to .375 H&H length, in the pristine specimen I have, so it would be a better buy. Stronger. Not H&H length, but stronger. Alf has convinced me that lengthening an M98 length action is a NO-NO.

I thought all you had to do was lengthen the mag box?

Nope, to convert my Whitworth Express Rifle .458 WinMag to .458 Lott would require cutting off some of the feed ramp and thus weakening the locking lug recess backing of the bottom loccking lug, just like in the pictures Alf posted of butchered M98's.

I have never seen a Whitworth Express Rifle .458 WinMag that came from the factory already butchered.

02 October 2005, 20:38

ElCaballero

RIP, I was looking for Alf's posted picts. Just missed it I guess. Could you provide a link?

02 October 2005, 22:17

RIP

ElCaballero,

Search on "Charles Daly Mausers???" and it will take you to the Thread by that title. Horrors!

02 October 2005, 22:20

Rusty

Cats,
If you don't want the rifle please forward me the name of the company has the rifle now.

Thank you,

Rusty
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03 October 2005, 07:22

Atkinson

RIP,
ALL of the 375 and 458s that come from Whitworth or MK10 are opened up totally in front at the factory...funny thing is I have never seen one develope headspace or blow up and don't know of anyone that has....

But, if you open one up in back and tig the ramp up in front by slow process tigging the problem you relate to is non existant..Once that is done then you can recut less than a hundred thousands from the feed ramp and that amount is so little you could almost do it with your fingernail...

Also if Rusty doesn't buy it I will for that price...

03 October 2005, 15:47

cats

Rusty are you the one that sent me the PM?
For all rotten stuff you and Ray have posted about me I shouldn't do this an I wouldn't if I had not deserved alot of those comments but not all of them...anyway I have decided to buy my son a CZ American so here goes. He has a price of $699 on the rifle but I got the guy at the counter down $50 on Saturday morning...you may do better you may not . the gun IMHO is 90% I'd say better if not for a nice ding ( that can be steamed nearly away) ...Good Luck! You may want to deal directly with Allen the owner

03 October 2005, 17:23

Rusty

You are right cats, I don't need it! Thanks!

BTW, I didn't PM you. I emailed you at the email address in your profile.

Would this be the thread?
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/408104903/r/475101013#475101013

03 October 2005, 21:30

Atkinson

Cats,
To my memory you have instigated most of the bad things that have been said about you..you have come down on me in a feeding frenzy several times. You came on this board with a troll like attitude but I don't recall saying anything bad about you. I know I didn't instigate anything.

Like Rusty I don't need any favors in the light you put them in, I'll pass on the gun....

03 October 2005, 21:51

cats

Ray:so be it, no skin off my nose. you had no intention of buying it anyway...just wanted to see if I really knew where one could be had or needed to save face after posting like a "big shot" you'd buy it. An just as I thought you bailed on that comment.

Rusty; you are correct it was an email to Buffalohunter123@aol.com not a PM. I am not at my desk today but on the road

03 October 2005, 23:08

Rusty

quote:
For all rotten stuff you and Ray have posted about me

Please direct me to where I can find these "rotten words"!

Actually cats, you were the first to bail on the rifle!

04 October 2005, 00:15

cats

Rusty no pissing matches with me anymore just as I posted in another thread.
I mentioned that about Ray bailing not you...I never bailed mainly cause I never stated as Ray did I would buy it if you didn't want it. I was inquiring about the $650 price tag that's all....but what the hell that's splitting hairs isn't it? I don't care if the gun sits there or not. I asked a question and got a few replies.

09 October 2005, 07:23

RIP

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
RIP,
ALL of the 375 and 458s that come from Whitworth or MK10 are opened up totally in front at the factory...

Ray,
You are dead wrong about the .458 WinMag Whitworth Express Rifle. It is not opened up in the front at all. I had two of them that were not butchered.

We've been around and around about this before.

End of story. I speak the truth. You must not have seen too many Whitworth Express Rifles in .458 WinMag.

One of mine remains untouched. The other was opened up to .458 Lott by a gunsmith I trust, but I still wish I hadn't done that!