Re: Need opinions on 460 Weatherby

22 October 2004, 09:52

Bottom line is the 460 Wby is one heck of a hammer, and actually kills big mean stuff better or at least as well as a 500 N.E. or a 577 N.E. I have seen it used many times and I was impressed in each case.

Its not my cup of tea, too much recoil and I am not a fan of Wby actions or stock design, but some pretty savvy PHs pack them around, My dear and late friend, George Hoffman for, and Roy Vicent is a 460 fan. There are a few other famous PH that like the 460 wby.

One thing I always liked about the caliber is that you can load that case down to a 500 gr. bullet at 2250 or 2300 and it has very little pressure and recoil compared to say a 458 Lott loaded at the same velocity...

It certainly has some virtures as a caliber IMO...

22 October 2004, 09:03

JefferyDenmark

AC

You are realy asking for it

and I like it

Please bring me some popcorn

Cheers,

Andrï¿½

21 October 2004, 13:03

ASS_CLOWN

Toomanytools,

I was told on this very forum, this very week, that a 300 magnum is just as deadly as a 500 magnum! So there is NO need to subject yourself to the cost and recoil of the 460 Weatherby, the extra energy and frontal area are ALL A BIG WASTE!

From PaulH

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a 300 mag, 416 or 500 will kill them all just as dead. The 300 is more than enough, so you won't see a difference with the bigger guns.

From Alf:

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So in all of this to simply assume that a wound from a .50 caliber is more lethal than a .22 caliber based on wound size alone would not be true

jeffeosso is a bit more experienced it seems and states that there is NO DIFFERENCE from .264 through 500!

From jeffeosso :

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264 to 338 mags.. not a hill of beans different on 1000# animals....

375-500 .. under 1000# animals, it's just as dead

With testimony from experts like that, I cannot see how anyone could make a practical, objective case for the NEED for a 460 Weatherby magnum, or anything larger than the 300 magnum for that matter!!

ASS_CLOWN

21 October 2004, 13:33

<allen day>

On non-dangerous herbivorous game of 1,000 lbs. and under, I haven't seen any difference between the killing power of cartridges between .300 Winchester and .375 H&H. I haven't seen any difference even on non-dangerous herbivorous game weighing 2,000 lbs. (in the case of moose and eland) between cartridges of this class. I hate to defy conventional wisdom and down-home, barstool philosophy with this observation, but my experience is that well-placed shots with well-constructed bullets from most cartridges between .300 & .375 kill very well on the vast, vast majority of big game animals that you will encounter anywhere in the world. The biggest difference usually is within the mind of the user. The animals really don't care what the heck you're shooting, but they tend to get very impressed by a well-place shot with a good bullet......

The .460 Weatherby is not an all-around hunting cartridge, and it wasn't designed to be one. What is WAS designed as is to be the ultimate dangerous game cartridge to be fired from a bolt action magazine rifle. Arguably, it has succeeded in that role in a very honest and forthright manner, and I don't know of anyone who has used this cartridge or who has seen it in action on dangerous game who hasn't come away undeniably convinced at it's tremendous killing power on big, tough, dangerous animals such as Cape buffalo, elephant, etc. For that osrt of use, it's the absolute top of the cartridge pile, if you can shoot it.

I'd rather have a .460 Weatherby than the .450 Dakota, simply because it's not only more cartridge, but the brass is much more consistent and has always come from the same source - Norma. As I understand it, Dakota brass might get sourced from any of several vendors, and you don't always know the origins of a particular lot of brass.

I don't care about the Weatherby rifle at all in the case of the .460 Wby. As has been mentioned, magazine capacity is extremely limited, and that crooked Weatherby stock exacerbates recoil. In no small way, this rifle and cartidge combo is a mismatch: You have a very serious and useful cartridge chambered in a mechanically expedient rifle that was designed to sell at a reasonably affordable price.

If I wanted a .460 Weatherby for real use, I'd have one built on a modern, commercial Mauser action (such as Granite Mtn.) with a magazine that holds four-down, plus I'd have it stocked in the American Classic style with a high, straight comb. I'd also have it piller bedded with machined aluminum or fiberglass pillars in something like Devcon, with double crossbolts and a barrel-mounted recoil lug, also bedded in Devcon. If the stock is properly inletted, you won't even see the bedding work. With a properly engineered magazine system, the belt on the case becomes not a drawback at all -- it becomes meaningless, a non-issue.

This is an expensive way to go, but the hunts you'd use this rifle on are expensive as well and valuable, as is your life..... As serious rifle intended for serious use, and chambered for a serious cartridge.

AD

21 October 2004, 11:57

AKA

Toomany Tools ..as Mike375 and I are the only ones that own and shoot a 460 weatherby on this subject board..i would agree with mike that the internal muzzle brakes are not the way to go. If you want to spend the 2,000 and own a 460 shop around. http://www.gunsamerica.com/ is a good sorce..The newer ones have the detachable muzzle brake. There's nothing wrong with the 460 cartridge. I haven't seen one hunter here say that the 460 cartridge was not up for the job on big game..Just my thoughts..FYI..i want a gun on off the rack that I dont need to go through the BullShit of re-doing anything except adding a scope.....

21 October 2004, 15:43

ASS_CLOWN

jeffeosso,

That IS a verbatim quote from your post! You said 1000 lb animals. A 1000 lb deer is a BIG F__ING deer jeffeosso!

Allen,

In my experience you can increase that from 300 - 375 to 300 - 416. The 416 is a tad better, but not by much.

Of course I don't hunt or shoot or anything like that. I leave that up to my main man jeffeosso. That way he can straighten me out when I screw up and say something stupid like.

ASS_CLOWN

21 October 2004, 16:38

Martin@Hin

John: If your left handed and want the 460, buy the dam thing. If you reload, and you should if you own a weatherby
then the reloaded shells will not cost you anymore than a 45-70, or a 458.
If you can get this gun for a few hundred dollars less than they ask then you save yourself a thousand dollars over a new one. As far as the usefullness of a 460, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I have a 500 AS, I may never see Africa, but I sure as heck like the gun. If you want it, that is enough reason to buy it.
Martin

21 October 2004, 19:07

Michael Robinson

Yes, indeed. In a good rifle, like the BRNO ZKK 602 or the CZ 550 Magnum, the .460 Wby. is one of the true big bore kings.

In the Wby. Mk. V, I would not give it a second look.

21 October 2004, 15:05

jeffeosso

Scotty...

you might read what you quoted us on...

on the 300 to 500, ON DEER SIZED ANIMALS....

the 264 to 338... not a hill of difference...

then in a TOTALLY different class of firearms, on the same animals, the 375 to 500 kills them equally, to the 375 to 500,

shesh, what ARE you smoking?

jeffe

21 October 2004, 14:09

Oldsarge

Everything Alan says is true, IMO, though I would advise that it is easier to do with a .450 Rigby. This case holds exactly what the Wby does, has no belt that has to be worked around and the cases are available from Hornebar. Also, you can easily neck up cases for the .416 Rigby and those are available from Norma . . . and I would build it up on a CZ 550, myself, in fact, I did!

23 October 2004, 01:45

Charlie M

I think the 460 in question is to dear but if you can get a new one at a similar price go for it.
If you want to use iron sights I would recommend the DGR or Safari Grade model as the Deluxe stock is to high in the comb in my opinion for iron sights.
You can also get a drop box magazine to hold more ammo from Weatherby.Not sure why you will need more than 3 shot's but I guess guy's with lesser cartridges and ability may need them.
I have had 2 Deluxe's with the Pendelton and would get the Accu brake next time around.
Cleaning the barrels is not fun without a screw off muzzle brake.
I load 500 Grainers at around 2300 fps and can shoot the rifle from the bench no problem,in the field it is very managable.
Although the Weatherby stock design is not liked by the traditionalists I prefer the muzzle to rise under recoil absorbing recoil than get belted by the rifle moving straight back with the classic style stock.
Lets face it, any rifle with the recoil of a 460 is going to move around no matter the stock design,just that Weatherby does a better job of making it acceptable to shoot.

Enjoy your day,

Charlie

MIKE375 , I loaded up some crackers ready for the 378 shoot,I am really looking forward to that..

22 October 2004, 17:14

VFR

My .460 is on a Brno 602. It goes 10lbs with a 1.5-5 Vari X III. I load the 500gr bullet over 112 gr of 4350 and the felt recoil is way less than my 8lb .416 Rem. Brass and bullets are cheap. It is still up in the air as to which rifle I will take for buff in '06.

22 October 2004, 23:56

Karl

Jeffe,

Axel is still expanded from when Mike375 used him as an example on the ignore threads a while back.

It was sort of like shooting a cockroach with the hulk's ray gun.

If you guys ignore him he will forget the brainwashing we required to give him at the time and shrink back down to lightweight insect size again.

He is a lightweight. (Sort of like a 500 A-sqaure using loads of 2300fps with 600gn instead of a real load like 2600fps or so)

Karl.