.416 Barnes

10 January 2003, 04:21

HunterJim

.416 Barnes

I received an email query from Africa on the .416 Barnes -- the .45-70 necked down to handle the .416" bullet.

Is anyone out there using one? Or have any information about field use?

jim dodd

10 January 2003, 08:07

jeffeosso

Chadd might be having my make one.. It's a pretty tame round, 400 at like 2100+.. will kill anything, though... When I win the AR buff raffle, i'll be redoing the 45/70 to that for me...

here's a link to some load data

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w416barnes.html

I would, if/when I get around to it, mill 5 grains off the nose, making a HUGE meplate.

jeffe

10 January 2003, 10:33

Dave James

Jim,pop over to bearthoothweb.com and ask those guys,they are into the lever guns and mods ,Marshall Straton I think help in puting tat together,either way he is a good one to talk to.

10 January 2003, 11:42

HunterJim

Dave,

Do you have the URL?

I tried beartoothweb.com and it didn't work...thanks...jim

10 January 2003, 15:42

Russell E. Taylor

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I would, if/when I get around to it, mill 5 grains off the nose, making a HUGE meplate.

I had the same idea, but leaving things as a standard .45-70 Government. If I'm the unfortunate slob who wins, I'm using those 500-grain tungsten solids and having my buddy mill off the round noses. I want as wide a meplat as is sanely possible when using a tube magazine. In fact, as I think of it, I'll just have him hollow-point them just a tad, in the primer area of the round ahead, so I can still have a wide meplat... or maybe something like Mike Brady's "cupnose" bullets. Whatever. Definitely not a ROUNDnose.

Stupid raffle, anyway. Jesus.

Russ

10 January 2003, 15:44

Russell E. Taylor

quote:
Originally posted by HunterJim:
Dave,

Do you have the URL?

I tried beartoothweb.com and it didn't work...thanks...jim

http://beartoothbullets.com/

11 January 2003, 07:48

Paul H

quote:
Originally posted by HunterJim:
I received an email query from Africa on the .416 Barnes -- the .45-70 necked down to handle the .416" bullet.

Is anyone out there using one? Or have any information about field use?

jim dodd

I have the handloader article on the round, and it was loaded at two power levels, one for a bolt gun with a magazene that could handle the longer bullets, and one for a lever gun. As I recall there were distinctly different power levels!

11 January 2003, 11:03

HunterJim

Guys,

I went over to the Marlintalk forums and did a search there, and got some basic stuff in return. I am sneaking up on beartooth -- I have read some basic "stoff" on the site, but not posted anything there yet.

I almost hesitate to post this, but hey we do have noisy threads here from time to time. [Wink]

The gent in Africa who mailed me is a very experienced PH who wants to try a (gasp)lever gun as a general purpose rifle. He is considering having a .416 Barnes built, probably on a Marlin M1895.

jim dodd

11 January 2003, 13:50

Dave James

Jim he realy!!! needs to talk to Marshall at bearthooth, the round hasn't gone far due to some problems,he would be better off with the 450/50 Alaskan I think.
I don't remember who but some one over there took the 450marlin and necked it down to 416 to get close to the barnes

[ 01-11-2003, 04:51: Message edited by: Dave James ]

11 January 2003, 19:52

Rusty Gunn

quote:
Originally posted by Dave James:
Jim he realy!!! needs to talk to Marshall at bearthooth, the round hasn't gone far due to some problems,he would be better off with the 450/50 Alaskan I think.
I don't remember who but some one over there took the 450marlin and necked it down to 416 to get close to the barnes

My friend John Anderson (posts as El-John-O at MarlinTalk) is the person who designed the "400 Yukon", the 450 Marlin case necked to .408.
I'd suggest a search at MarlinTalk, or better yet, do a new post, asking him for updated info.
~~~Suluuq

12 January 2003, 07:38

HunterJim

Dave & Suluuq,

Thanks for the steers, I will get onto those both. When depends on how good the playoff games are this weekend. [Wink]

jim

15 January 2003, 12:50

Russell E. Taylor

quote:
Originally posted by Rusty Gunn:
... the "400 Yukon", the 450 Marlin case necked to .408.

What bullets is he using?

Russ

15 January 2003, 20:55

Rusty Gunn

Russ... I don't rightly know, but I think he may have used Hawk bullets, as well as some cast bullets he used in another 40 cal levergun.
Post at the big bore forum at MarlinTalk, I'm sure he'll share the info.
~~~Suluuq

17 January 2003, 09:31

Rusty Gunn

According to COTW, the 416 Barnes shoots a 400 grain bullet to 2155 fps, in a Marlin.
Another wildcat that would indeed set my world on fire, but as of yet uncreated/undeveloped to my knowledge, would be a "416-110 DRC" (assuming Dave Clay would create it). Necking the 50-110 case to this diameter would certainly push the speed up some. ~~~Suluuq

17 January 2003, 07:14

DB Bill

If the 416 Barnes is a necked down 45/70 and can drive a 400gr bullet to 2155fps in a Marlin then the 45/70 also can....right? That's 4120 ftlbs of muzzle energy.

The .416/45-70 would give you a little more range but....why a PH need a long-range rifle?