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Does a 416 Rem need a recoil lug on the barrel?
01 August 2010, 04:52
airgun1Does a 416 Rem need a recoil lug on the barrel?
I just swapped my pre 64(1961) M70 300 Weatherby barreled action to a friend for a 1938 M70 416 Rem barreled action.
The 416 has a fairly heavy contour 22" Douglas Premium Stainless barrel with barrel band front sight and barrel band swivel.
I am going to get 2 recoil crossbolts installed in the stock and then bed it with Acraglas Gel.
Does this rig sound like it is going to need a recoil lug on the barrel as well?
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01 August 2010, 07:36
GeorgeSIf properly bedded, probably not.
George
01 August 2010, 11:26
JBrownquote:
Originally posted by GeorgeS:
If properly bedded, probably not.
George
I agree, but I would get one anyway.
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My wood stocked 416 has a barrel lug, my fiberglass/graphite/kevlar 416 does not.
Both are well bedded with dbl cross bolts.
Well over a 1000 rds out of the synthetic.
2nd lug is cheap insurance on a nice piece of wood.
01 August 2010, 15:33
<Mike McGuire>I have owned 3 M70 458s in each case I bedded and floated the barrel, that is, did not use the barrel lug.
Remember the M70 has a recoil lug about twice the size of a Mauser.
01 August 2010, 15:42
armorerIt appears that one barreled action is replacing another in the same stock with the replacement carrying a heavier barrel. The stock has been tested and passed already, by the recoil of the prior caliber. The 416 is going to be a step up in recoil so the cross bolts and bedding are prudent. The 416 is a rifle to be shot primarily offhand where your body flex will reduce shock to the rifle stock. My experience with factory M70 416 rifles is they are fine with proper bedding and cross bolts. If expense is not a limitation the barrel lug is an additional but not mandatory precaution. Stay away from Lead Sleds and other intolerant situations.
01 August 2010, 16:52
ScottSairgun1,
It depends on the level of reliability you want. If it were me I would barrel lug also. All my rifles 0.375 and larger have a barrel recoil lug, this includes my M70 416 Taylor. My issue with the M70 us the fact that the front action screw is sandwiched between the recoil lug and the magazine mortise. This leaves much less wood to react against the recoil lug. This is why I opted for the barrel lug on my 416.
There are so many variables at work it is difficult to say whether or not a barrel recoil lug is absolutely necessary for your application, but it definitely would be directionally correct for utmost reliability. By the way, I would probably bed with something a bit tougher than acraglass, particularly if only using the receiver recoil lug alone.
01 August 2010, 18:09
jro45My 416 doesn't have a recoil lug on the barrel.
it's a remington I have never had any problems
with it.
01 August 2010, 18:48
<Mike McGuire>quote:
Originally posted by jro45:
My 416 doesn't have a recoil lug on the barrel.
it's a remington I have never had any problems
with it.
They don't have them on the 458 either. Big recoil lug and more stock material behind the recoil lug than other actions.
quote:
By the way, I would probably bed with something a bit tougher than acraglass, particularly if only using the receiver recoil lug alone.
Agreed as did brownell's tech guy when I asked this week. I don't like the stuff to work with but it seems to do a better job "steel bed".
