Hello @ all,
i�m back with some more question regarding bullets for my .375H&H.
Some of u may know, that i�m looking for a bullet to use on european game (boars,deers).
After i got some catalogues from some german retailers, i took a look at the prices, and the BArnes X, the Swift A-frame and (surprise surprise) the woodleigh are all the same in price.
I only heared good things about the woodleigh�s.
QUESTION�s:
1) where is the different between the protected point(270gr) and the semipoint(300gr)?
(Only the design of the point?)
2) Can anyone tell me if I can use them on boars and deers, or do the woodleigh bullets need heavy game(Eland,Oryx,Kudu,Buffalo)to perform well.
Is our european game to light ,so the bullet will behave like a solid?

Thanks in advance to all "responders"
cheers
konstantin

Konst,

Of your list of bullets I used the 300 grain Swift A-Frame from a .375 H&H on a nyala of about 250 pounds (about 115 Kg). The shot was from ahead into the chest from 30 meters. The bullet took out about 6 inches/15 cm of the spine and we found it in a ham at the rear. It retained over 90% of its weight and was a nice mushroom.

The side to side shots exited, but at least showed some expansion.

Have you tried the Norma Oryx bullet?

I also have used the 270 Grain Hornady Spire Point Interlock from my .376 Steyr, and it works fine on game the size you mention (in my case warthog and various antelope). Weight retained was about 85%.

Waidsmanheil!

jim dodd

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hunt, you are too busy."

Konst the woodleighs are excellent projectiles some of the best. I use them in my 30/06, 45/70 and .416 Rigby all have performed well and even on light game I stille reckon they perform despite the fact they are a premium projectile for larger game. If you use woodleighs you will not be dissapointed.

I use them as they are made in Australia so a box of woodleighs costs me the same as a box of speer's or sierra pro-hunters. For me there the best dollar value. In some cases it is cheaper for me to shoot woodleighs than regular American bullets.

The protected point will not flatten out due to re-coil in your magazine box.

Regards PC.

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konst,

Geoff McDonald, who is Woodleigh, probably shoots more animals than any of the other bullet makers.

His Protected Points are mainly to satisfy a market that wants pointed bullets. It is my understanding that he does not use them himself, but rather the round nose and semi round nose bullets he makes.

I would not be at all surprised if he is the first bullet maker to have two types of bullet:

Bullet 1

This bullet is recommeded for testing in wet paper and also for photographing recovered bullets. This bullet is also recommended for chronographing at 100 yards to check ballistic coefficient.

Bullet 2

This bullet is recommeded for shooting animals.

His basic test on bullets is do they wrok on kangaroos, goats and water buffalo.

Use his semi round nose and round nose bullets and you will be happy.

The other good bullet is round nose Hornadies.

Mike

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hey PC,HunterJim and Mike 375,
can you share some of your favorites load for the .375H&H with me?
Where can i get some tested and save loading datas for woodleigh bullets (maybe a silly question???) ?
Do woodleigh have some?
What kind of powder do u use?
In my reloading manaual i just can find some loads with Vihtavuouri (Kemira)N540, PB Clermont PCL516 Powder.

Konstentin

cheers
konstantin

I have not got a .375 yet but am looking to get one in the next few months. I only load woodleighs for my .416, 30/06 & 45/70

woodleigh's website is www.woodleighbullets.com.au

They have a fine selection of projectiles for the .375.

You will love the performance of the woodleighs.

Regards PC

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hey pc,
thanks a lot for the link.
How much are the 270gr PP Woodleighs in australia?
I have to pay about US$ 1,20 per piece.
Is it cheaper to get some in australia,even i have to pay for s&h?
Do you know the s+h costs to europe,send as a normal parcel?

Thanks
konstantin

Konst in Australia I pay b/w 50-55 AUStralian$. I do not know the much about the exchange rate from Euro to Australian $. But I do know that as a rule of thumb Aus.50c=1.00US$. You would have to check the comparison in exchange b/w you currency and ours to see if it is worthwhile.

I have never posted anything overseas so I am not quite sure about posting and handling costs.

Regards PC.

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Konst,

I have been using the Remington Premier Safari Grade factory ammunition with the 300 grain Swift A-Frame bullet in my .375s. It shoots 3-shot, half-inch groups (12.7 mm)in my rifles at 100 yards/89 m, and the same in another hunter's .375. We would like to know what load Remington is using!

jim dodd

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"if you are to busy to
hunt, you are too busy."

For game under 250 pounds, I really don't think you need a premium bullet. Speer or Sierra will work great on deer and boar, without costing you so much money.

konst,

With 300 grain bullets, 78 grains of 760 seems to shoot well in any accurate 375.

Also 68 grains of IMR 4064 with 300 grainer bullets.

Reloader 15 generally does well from 70 to 73 grains with 300 grain bullets.

In my experience 375s are most likely to give their best accuracy with 300 grain bullets and also across the widest range of loads and powders.

My standard "test" load in any 375 is the 78 grains of Winchester 760 and the 300 Hornady round nose. If the rifle won't shoot this load it usually means there is a problem with the rifle, scope or mounts.

Mike

I have used Woodliegh bullets on everything from Duiker to Buffalo and they simply work...I have shot a lot of pigs with them...

I like the round nose 300 gr. and 350 gr. Woodleigh bullets in the 375 H&H..I shot some pigs recently with the 350 gr. RN and they worked very well indeed..they expand fast and still hold together...The 350 gr. PP is a much tougher bullet.

I like the Swift but only on very large animals such as Buffalo, Lion etc.

I like the Northfork bullets as well as any bullet I've ever used and the Noslers are great...

In the solids I love the GS solids and thats about all I use these days. I have used the GS HV expanding bullets on deer only and they are an interresting bullet and I will try them a lot more in the future....

Lots of great bullets out there today the technology is abundant and my cup runneth over.

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Ray Atkinson

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Thank you guys,
for the given help.

konstantin

For youropean game you will not need the penetration afforded by swift's and such, I would be perfectly happy with the the 300gr Hornady RN or Sierra GK. Unjless you are shootin cast iron pigs these bullets will do just well.

For eouropean game I doubt that you will need the penetration afforded by swift's and such. Personally I would be perfectly happy with the the 300gr Hornady RN or Sierra GK. Unless you are shooting cast iron pigs , these bullets will do just fine.

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A Question ,
is there any difference between the precission of the Speer to the Sierra bullets?
Or are they about the same?

Thanks in advance
Konstantin

Konst,
I suspect the Speer are a little tougher, but the Seirras are a good bullet in 375, tougher than one would suspect for Sierras.

But, not to worry there is no such thing as bullet failure with 300 grain bullets on game other than Buff, elephant, Lion and Hippo. when 300 gr. bullets at 2400 FPS and up come apart on plainsgame, you gotta dead animal or at least part of one, and that you can take to the bank.

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Ray Atkinson

ray@atkinsonhunting.com
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