There you go Rob, thinking of yourself when we are on the verge of real brake throughs in hunting technology. Not to mention the military aplication for infantry anti-armor weapons. I dare speculate that Jeffe's airgun would kill a M1A dead, in fact this maybe what killed that Abrams being talking about in the Military forum.

Kristofer

500grains,
Just omit the firearm entirely and drop the hardcast bullet on the floor. It will penetrate clear through the earth, and wipe out a billion Chinese!

George

500 Grains,

DO NOT TEST THAT LOAD! It will likely penetrate more than 13 feet of concrete and possibly puncture the earth's core--you'll kill us all---stop now while there's still time!

Oh no Mr Bill- A 500 gr 45LC slug just came through the earth and went into orbit. I chrono'd it at .02 fps. What penetration- Garrett was right all along!!! I think PC on the other side of the world has been testing your load!-Rob

Thanks Guys.....I love it.

Urdubob

The reason these slugs are so deadly on game is the pain inflicted in the course of full penetration, minimum of 30 minutes to pass from entry to exit hole! Ouch.

Did not realize that there is such great love here for Mr. Garrett.

Look for old copies of Handloaders Digest. One had article testing 500-550gr in 454 Casull. Cannot remember which issue. With proper reduction and cautions, could serve as basis for heavy frame 45 Colt trials.

Blackhawk44, I do not think this is a serious thread, but I have read the the article you refer to. I have a bunch of lyman 450 grain .451 "volunteer" bullets that I got to patch for my 45-70. In a goofy mood, I did some figuring and loaded some in 45 Colt brass over 9 grains of Blue Dot, which was not loud at all and sufficient to hit near the point of aim at 10 yards (or was it 10 feet; I never loaded enough to test at real ranges because I never loaded it hot enough for real use)with my blackhawk and thought the whole thing funny and left it alone. There is enough room for about 16 grain of H110 and I think it would be safe but I am not sure (the bullet is 1.10" long for a COL of 1.72" [for anyone who wants to run this through a load calcuator] and just does fit in the cylinder of my Ruger Blackhawk and chambers in my Winchester 94) and I thought it might be interesting to use this as a "whispers" sort of load in the rifle.

So, can anyone calculate a good starting load with H110 (I believe that I will hit capacity before hitting max)? I would ask for a 2400 load if I had any...Blue Dot may be slow enough....

I was thinking of sizing some .458 500 grain cast down to .451. I really want to try this. Maybe 7 grains of blue dot will get me what I need. If anyone has that Handloader article, any data you could post from it would be appreciated. Many thanks.

Of course I will faithfully report the results to Mr. Garrett so that he can post them on his web site.

Back around 95' a buddy of mine got a Linebaugh built .475. After shooting it I decided to see just how close I could come with my little Ruger 4 5/8" 45colt blackhawk. I started with some sized down 45-70 405's and bluedot. I got over 1250fps before I had to replace the cylinder, spiral line inside one chamber, almost a crack??. It now has a bisley cylinder on it and I try to be more reasonable in my extremeism. I would think 2400 or 296 would be better. I did load the same 405's in my Taurus 454 and got to 1550fps with 296, but they wouldn't stablize and went through the target sideways. I'm sure the loads were way too hot so don't try to get there.

Sorry I doubted you.



It was in the '96 Handloader's Digest. P.A. Widegren first loaded 12 grains of W-296 topped by a Lyman 509 grain round nose in a 45 Colt case. He reports that he was hitting 18" high at 25 yards. He later designed a 500 grain full wadcutter and loaded it in a .454 casull over 16.5 grains of W-296 and got about 975fps. He said his target velocity was 1100fps and he thought about going to HS-6. No mention of pressure, estimated or otherwise, was made in the article.



As to the use of Blue Dot, I had determined that my .451 volunteer bullet left me with the case capacity of many 45ACP loads and took the lowest load for 45 auto rim I saw to start at (H110/W-296 shooter's paranoia over too-light loadings)and worked up to 9 grains before stopping. There were no pressure signs at all in my attempt. I didn't go any farther because I felt it may be too fast to try to get higher velocities from such a heavy bullet.



It is interesting to note that John Linebaugh (GUNNOTES: Heavyweight Bullets) states 350 grains as being about as heavy a bullet that performs well from a .45 Colt stating that more case volume is needed to keep the pressures reasonable at desired velocities. These are from handguns and I think the 450 grainer would have utility from my 94, but it certainly is an interesting thing to play around with.